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11:15 AMRegular SessionALBANY, NEW YORK
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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                  January 12, 2021

11                     11:15 a.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR BRIAN A. BENJAMIN, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3  Senate will come to order.  

 4               I ask everyone present to please 

 5  rise and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6               (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7  the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

 8               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   In the 

 9  absence of clergy, let us bow our heads in a 

10  moment of silent reflection or prayer.

11               (Whereupon, the assemblage respected 

12  a moment of silence.)

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

14  reading of the Journal.

15               THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Monday, 

16  January 11, 2021, the Senate met pursuant to 

17  adjournment.  The Journal of Friday, January 8, 

18  2021, was read and approved.  On motion, Senate 

19  adjourned.

20               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Without 

21  objection, the Journal stands approved as read.  

22               Presentation of petitions.

23               Messages from the Assembly.

24               Messages from the Governor.

25               Reports of standing committees.


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 1               Reports of select committees.

 2               Communications and reports from 

 3  state officers.

 4               Motions and resolutions.

 5               Senator Gianaris.

 6               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, I 

 7  move to adopt the Resolution Calendar.

 8               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   All in 

 9  favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar please 

10  signify by saying aye.

11               (Response of "Aye.")

12               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

13  Opposed, nay.

14               (No response.)

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16  Resolution Calendar is adopted.

17               Senator Gianaris.

18               SENATOR GIANARIS:   At this time can 

19  we take up the calendar, Mr. President.

20               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

21  Secretary will read.

22               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 10, 

23  Senate Print 514, by Senator SepĂșlveda, 

24  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

25  proposing an amendment to Section 15 of 


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 1  Article VI of the Constitution relating to the 

 2  New York City Civil Court.

 3               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 4  Secretary will call the roll on the resolution.

 5               (The Secretary called the roll.)

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 7  Announce the results.

 8               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 9               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

10  resolution is adopted.

11               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

12  11, Senate Print 515, by Senator Gianaris, 

13  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

14  proposing an amendment to Sections 2, 4, 5, 5-a 

15  and 5-b of Article 3 of the Constitution.

16               SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

17               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Lay it 

18  aside.

19               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20  12, Senate Print 517, by Senator Gianaris, 

21  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

22  proposing an amendment to Section 5 of Article 2 

23  of the Constitution.

24               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

25  the roll on the resolution.  


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 1               (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 3  Senator Rath to explain his vote.

 4               SENATOR RATH:   Yes, thank you, 

 5  Mr. President.  

 6               On Senate 517, I concede that it is 

 7  paramount that all voters have the opportunity to 

 8  participate in the election process.  However, as 

 9  with the package that we approved yesterday as 

10  well as today, this legislation represents an 

11  enormous administrative burden and fiscal burden 

12  on our Board of Elections and our counties -- 

13  also, an enormous burden on the poll watchers as 

14  well as the voters themselves.

15               With no dedicated increase or 

16  specific stream of funding, how are localities 

17  supposed to handle such a vast increase in voter 

18  participation?  Minnesota, which is one-quarter 

19  of the size of New York, had 350,000 people show 

20  up to register and to vote on Election Day.  If 

21  you use that same math, that's 1 million people 

22  who will come on Election Day to register and to 

23  vote.

24               The purpose of the current 10-day 

25  period is to ensure the accuracy of the voter 


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 1  rolls and to avoid errors.  The reality of the 

 2  situation is that our Boards of Elections rely on 

 3  this time period to process and validate and 

 4  ensure the accuracy of the registration 

 5  information.  It is incumbent on this body to 

 6  ensure that our local officials have the ability 

 7  to do so to give those guarantees, provide those 

 8  guarantees, without interjecting any chaotic 

 9  elements into the election process.

10               For these reasons I will be voting 

11  against Senate 517.  

12               Thank you, Mr. President.

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

14  Senator Rath to be recorded in the negative.

15               Announce the results.

16               THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

17  Calendar 12, those Senators voting in the 

18  negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

19  Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Martucci, Mattera, 

20  Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, Rath, Ritchie, Serino, 

21  Stec, Tedisco and Weik.

22               Ayes, 45.  Nays, 17.

23               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

24  resolution is adopted.

25               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


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 1  13, Senate Print 528, by Senator Jackson, 

 2  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

 3  proposing an amendment to Article 1 of the 

 4  Constitution.

 5               SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Lay it 

 7  aside.

 8               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9  27, Senate Print 874, by Senator Parker, an act 

10  to amend the Education Law.

11               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

12  the last section.

13               THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

14  act shall take effect on the same date and in the 

15  same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2020.

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

17  the roll.

18               (The Secretary called the roll.)

19               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

20  Announce the results.

21               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

23  bill is passed.

24               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25  35, Senate Print 882, by Senator Persaud, an act 


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 1  to amend the Social Services Law.

 2               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 3  the last section.

 4               THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

 5  act shall take effect immediately.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 7  the roll.

 8               (The Secretary called the roll.)

 9               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

10  Announce the results.

11               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

12               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

13  bill is passed.

14               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15  48, Senate Print 895, by Senator Liu, an act to 

16  amend the Insurance Law.

17               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

18  the last section.

19               THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

20  act shall take effect on the same date and in the 

21  same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2020.

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

23  the roll.

24               (The Secretary called the roll.)

25               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    


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 1  Announce the results.

 2               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 3               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 4  bill is passed.

 5               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6  52, Senate Print 899, by Senator Serrano, an act 

 7  to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

 8               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 9  the last section.

10               THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11  act shall take effect on the same date and in the 

12  same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2020.

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

14  the roll.

15               (The Secretary called the roll.)

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

17  Announce the results.

18               THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

19  Calendar Number 52, those Senators voting in the 

20  negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

21  Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, 

22  Rath, Ritchie, Serino, Stec and Tedisco.

23               Ayes, 48.  Nays, 14.

24               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

25  bill is passed.


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 1               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2  57, Senate Print 904, by Senator Comrie, an act 

 3  to amend the Not-For-Profit Corporation Law.

 4               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 5  the last section.

 6               THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

 7  act shall take effect on the same date and in the 

 8  same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2020.

 9               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

10  the roll.

11               (The Secretary called the roll.)

12               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

13  Announce the results.

14               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16  bill is passed.

17               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18  58, Senate Print 905, by Senator Harckham, an act 

19  to amend a chapter of the Laws of 2020 relating 

20  to establishing the Real Property Tax Exemption 

21  Task Force.

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

23  the last section.

24               THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

25  act shall take effect on the same date and in the 


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 1  same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2020.

 2               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 3  the roll.

 4               (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 6  Announce the results.

 7               THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 8  Calendar Number 58, those Senators voting in the 

 9  negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

10  Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Martucci, Mattera, 

11  Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, 

12  Serino, Stec, Tedisco and Weik.

13               Ayes, 44.  Nays, 18.

14               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

15  bill is passed.

16               Senator Gianaris, that completes 

17  the reading of today's calendar.  

18               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

19  at this time we will take up the controversial 

20  calendar, starting with Calendar Number 13.

21               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

22  Secretary will ring the bell.

23               The Secretary will read.

24               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25  13, Senate Print 528, by Senator Jackson, 


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 1  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

 2  proposing an amendment to Article 1 of the 

 3  Constitution.

 4               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 5  Senator Lanza, why do you rise?

 6               SENATOR LANZA:   Mr. President, I 

 7  believe there's an amendment at the desk.  I 

 8  waive the reading of that amendment and ask that 

 9  Senator Stec be recognized and heard.

10               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Thank 

11  you, Senator Lanza.  

12               Upon review of the amendment, in 

13  accordance with Rule 6, Section 4B, I rule it 

14  nongermane and out of order at this time.  

15               SENATOR LANZA:   Mr. President, 

16  accordingly, I appeal the chair's ruling and I 

17  ask that Senator Stec be recognized.

18               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

19  appeal has been made and recognized, and 

20  Senator Stec may be heard.

21               SENATOR STEC:   Thank you.  

22               Mr. President, I appeal the ruling 

23  of the chair.  The proposed amendment is germane 

24  to the bill at hand because it too embodies a 

25  right granted to every New Yorker in our 


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 1  Constitution, the right to three separate but 

 2  equal branches of government.  

 3               This amendment would repeal the 

 4  powers granted to the Governor which allow the 

 5  executive branch to exclusively and unilaterally 

 6  rule throughout a declared state of disaster 

 7  emergency without any input from the state 

 8  legislators chosen to provide a voice for the 

 9  New Yorkers who elected them.  

10               Many challenges have arisen 

11  throughout this pandemic, but the most recent one 

12  exemplifies the utmost need to restore balance to 

13  our state government:  The inefficient and 

14  ineffective rollout by the Governor of the 

15  COVID-19 vaccine.  

16               The Department of Health and Human 

17  Services began publicly discussing the expedited 

18  process to create and distribute the COVID-19 

19  vaccine on March 30, 2020.  That was nine months 

20  ago, nine months prior to the release of the 

21  vaccine for distribution.  

22               While counties have had plans in 

23  place for decades on how to effectively execute 

24  such an undertaking, the Governor ignored this 

25  infrastructure and instead used the power of the 


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 1  executive order to take full control of vaccine 

 2  distribution.  He first chose to put hospitals in 

 3  charge of distributing the vaccine, the same 

 4  hospitals we are trying desperately not to 

 5  overwhelm.  Each day a new announcement, a new 

 6  executive order.  

 7               He has touted that we have relied 

 8  on the science and data to combat this pandemic, 

 9  yet refuses to collaborate with those more 

10  knowledgeable to ensure the most effective and 

11  expedient distribution of the most important 

12  undertaking of our generation.  

13               The failure of this vaccine 

14  distribution rollout is inexcusable and 

15  completely avoidable.  New York has faced 

16  insurmountable challenges in the face of the 

17  COVID pandemic, yet we have seen firsthand that 

18  exclusive authority and control only sows more 

19  chaos and confusion.  

20               We must take this opportunity to 

21  restore balance in our democratic process and 

22  return governance based in collaboration and 

23  equality, as intended.  In short, the Legislature 

24  must stop abdicating our constitutional authority 

25  and obligations and reestablish ourselves as an 


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 1  independent, coequal branch of government as the 

 2  Constitution of the State of New York requires.  

 3               It is for these reasons I urge my 

 4  colleagues to support this amendment.

 5               Thank you, Mr. President.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Thank 

 7  you, Senator Stec.

 8               I want to remind the house that the 

 9  vote is on the procedures of the house and the 

10  ruling of the chair.  

11               Those in favor of overruling the 

12  chair signify by saying aye.

13               SENATOR LANZA:   Request a show of 

14  hands.

15               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

16  we've agreed to waive the show of hands and 

17  record each member of the Minority in the 

18  affirmative on this bill.

19               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   

20  Without objection, so ordered.

21               Announce the results.

22               THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 20.

23               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

24  ruling of the chair stands, and the bill-in-chief 

25  is before the house.  


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 1               Senator Borrello on the bill.

 2               SENATOR BORRELLO:   Thank you, 

 3  Mr. President.  On the bill.  

 4               First of all, let me say that I 

 5  agree with the sponsor in the aspirational goal 

 6  that we should all have clean water and fresh 

 7  air.  My opposition to this bill today is merely 

 8  on the unintended consequences this bill may 

 9  have, including opening up a Pandora's box of 

10  litigation.

11               However, I do agree, absolutely, 

12  that we need to be focused on clean water and 

13  clean air.  But those are just goals.  Right now 

14  we have a serious issue facing us here in 

15  New York State.  

16               Our Governor is looking to place 

17  industrial wind turbines in our freshwater lakes.  

18  These massive structures, made of steel and 

19  concrete and plastic and that are forged in 

20  foreign countries under horrific conditions, will 

21  be placed in our Great Lakes -- Lake Erie, where 

22  I live, Lake Ontario -- and could be placed in 

23  every freshwater lake in New York State unless we 

24  act to stop this.

25               So I'm appealing to everyone who 


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 1  supports this bill, everyone who supports clean 

 2  water and fresh air, that we do not allow this 

 3  crony capitalism agenda to harm our freshwater.  

 4  Lake Erie alone is a source of drinking water for 

 5  more than 11 million people.  Across this state, 

 6  from the Great Lakes to the Finger Lakes, we rely 

 7  on our freshwater lakes for our drinking water, 

 8  for supplying our businesses with needed water.  

 9               The Great Lakes are the largest 

10  source of freshwater in the world -- 20 percent 

11  of the freshwater in the world is in the 

12  Great Lakes, in our backyard here in New York 

13  State, and we are going to threaten it for a 

14  political purpose.  

15               I'm not opposed to renewable 

16  energy.  I am opposed to destroying our 

17  Great Lakes, the quality of life, having a 

18  negative impact on the environment and the 

19  ecology in order to serve a bogus politically 

20  driven agenda.  

21               So those of you that are in support 

22  of this, I commend you and I also ask you to 

23  stand with us as we push back against this deadly 

24  and dangerous push to put industrial wind 

25  turbines in our freshwater lakes -- which, by the 


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 1  way, is not done anywhere else in the world.  I 

 2  do not want to be the guinea pig for something 

 3  that could be disastrous and have a disastrous 

 4  impact on so many New Yorkers.  

 5               Thank you, Mr. President.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 7  Senator Stec.

 8               SENATOR STEC:   Thank you, 

 9  Mr. President.  Would the sponsor yield for a 

10  couple of questions?  

11               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

12  the sponsor yield? 

13               SENATOR JACKSON:   Sure, the 

14  sponsor will yield.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16  sponsor yields.  

17               SENATOR STEC:   Thank you.  

18               Happy New Year, Senator.  A couple 

19  of quick questions, if I may.  

20               Is the word "clean" or the word 

21  "healthful" that appear in the bill defined 

22  anywhere in the legislation before us?

23               SENATOR JACKSON:   In response, 

24  Mr. President, clean and fresh water is, in my 

25  opinion, a human right, a right for all of us in 


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 1  our state and in our country and our world.  

 2               And obviously it's not defined in 

 3  the Constitution and in this amendment, but that 

 4  issue, if necessary to be defined, will be 

 5  defined by advocates and people that it 

 6  negatively or positively affects.  That's what -- 

 7  the discussions that have to take place.  

 8               Just like in the Campaign for 

 9  Fiscal Equity, the Constitution of the State of 

10  New York said that everyone is entitled to a 

11  sound, basic education, where the highest court 

12  in the State of New York said -- equated a sound, 

13  basic education to an adequate education.  And it 

14  defined that in a decision.  It said, meaning the 

15  highest court in the State of New York said, that 

16  an adequate education means that every child 

17  should have the opportunity to graduate from high 

18  school knowing how to read, knowing how to write, 

19  knowing how to serve on a jury, and being able to 

20  hold competitive employment.  A lawsuit had to be 

21  filed in order for the court to decide what the 

22  entitlement was for a sound, basic education.  

23               I hope that that's not the case in 

24  defining clean water and clean air.  But if 

25  necessary, then that's what has to happen.


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 1               So I am hoping that we, the people, 

 2  will come together and make sure that everyone is 

 3  protected to have clean air and clean water.  I 

 4  hope that's the case.  

 5               And I hope, as my colleague said, 

 6  Senator Borrello, that no one puts their 

 7  political agenda in this.  This is not about 

 8  politics.  This is about every family and every 

 9  individual having the right to have that clean 

10  water and clean air.  

11               And so that's my response to you.

12               SENATOR STEC:   Mr. President, if 

13  the sponsor would yield for one more question, 

14  please.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Will 

16  the sponsor yield?

17               SENATOR JACKSON:   Yes.

18               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

19  sponsor yields.

20               SENATOR STEC:   Thanks, Senator 

21  Jackson.  

22               I just moved over from the 

23  Assembly; I'm familiar with the constitutional 

24  amendment process.  This is second passage of 

25  this constitutional amendment.  I've been 


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 1  involved in several others through the EnCon 

 2  Committee.  And one of the insistences that I 

 3  recall in the past was that at some point between 

 4  first and second passage, it's normal to have 

 5  enabling legislation that will further lay out 

 6  and maybe address some of the concerns I and 

 7  others have about the ambiguity of the words 

 8  "clean" and "healthful."  

 9               Is there enabling legislation 

10  that's currently in existence and is 

11  corresponding with this second passage?  

12               SENATOR JACKSON:   I am not aware.  

13  There may be, but I am not aware.  

14               I do know that from a 

15  constitutional point of view, we had -- we passed 

16  it last year, we're passing the language this 

17  year to include that as an amendment to the Bill 

18  of Rights with respect to the clean air, clean 

19  water, and a healthful environment.

20               SENATOR STEC:   Thank you, Senator.  

21               Mr. President, on the bill.

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

23  Senator Stec on the bill.

24               SENATOR STEC:   Thank you very 

25  much.  


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 1               Certainly no one in this room is 

 2  opposed to the goal and the aspiration in 

 3  achieving clean air, clean water, or a healthful 

 4  environment.  However, we are a Legislature.  And 

 5  if nothing else, we've learned in the last few 

 6  weeks:  Words matter.  We need to be very 

 7  cautious and careful with our language.  We are 

 8  passing a law, we are not passing goals.  

 9               For a law to be fair and a law to 

10  be just, it must be understandable, it must be 

11  enforceable, it must be measurable.  I'm all for 

12  clean air and clean water.  Who isn't?  But in 

13  the face of ambiguity, you will have distrust, 

14  you will have lawsuits, you will have costs.  And 

15  I'm trying to avoid that.  

16               You know, so my concern with this 

17  legislation is essentially that we're throwing 

18  something out there that we have not well 

19  defined.  And for that reason, I think that we 

20  need to exercise caution, we need to be a little 

21  more detailed in our work.  And for that reason, 

22  I'll be opposing second passage of this 

23  amendment.  

24               Thank you, Mr. President.

25               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Are 


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 1  there any other Senators wishing to be heard?  

 2               Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

 3  closed.

 4               The Secretary will ring the bell.

 5               Call the roll on the resolution.  

 6               (The Secretary called the roll.)

 7               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 8  Senator Jackson to explain his vote.

 9               SENATOR JACKSON:   Thank you, 

10  Mr. President.

11               So, my colleagues, I rise in order 

12  to support this bill which I'm introducing.  And 

13  today, by adding 15 words to the Constitution of 

14  the State of New York, we will help shape the 

15  future of New York.  Those powerful words are:  

16  "Each person shall have a right to clean air and 

17  water and a healthful environment."  You would 

18  think that I shouldn't even have to say that we 

19  include that.

20               Adding this amendment to the 

21  current New York Bill of Rights will provide 

22  important protections that advance environmental 

23  justice.  I hope these rights will soon be 

24  constitutional rights for all New Yorkers and 

25  will safeguard our ability to sustain healthy 


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 1  lives and economies.  

 2               New Yorkers will finally have the 

 3  right to take legal action for a clean 

 4  environment, because it will be in the State 

 5  Constitution.  And we will finally have 

 6  safeguards requiring government to consider the 

 7  environment and our relationship to Mother Earth 

 8  in the decision-making process.

 9               Many hands have helped shape this 

10  bill through the years, and they deserve great 

11  credit for their advocacy, wisdom and 

12  persistence.  And I thank you to these fine 

13  organizations such as Environmental Advocates of 

14  New York, the Adirondack Mountain Club, Further 

15  Generations, Delaware Riverkeepers, and WE ACT 

16  for Environment Justice.

17               This would not have happened 

18  without them, and we won't win a constitutional 

19  victory here without all of us coming together 

20  and bringing forward this powerful message to our 

21  communities.

22               And I agree with my colleague, this 

23  should not be a political agenda on anyone's 

24  part.  It should be for the betterment of all of 

25  the people of our great state.  And that's my 


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 1  goal and objective.  

 2               And so I look forward to working 

 3  together to make environmental justice a reality 

 4  for every person in our state.  And I vote aye, 

 5  Mr. President.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 7  Senator Jackson to be recorded in the 

 8  affirmative.

 9               Senator May to explain her vote.

10               SENATOR MAY:   Thank you, 

11  Mr. President.

12               Yesterday we took up issues about 

13  the right to the vote, and last month we talked 

14  about the right to having a house -- a roof over 

15  your head.  But none of these rights make any 

16  difference if you don't have the right to drink 

17  clean water and breathe clean air.  

18               For too long we have treated these 

19  as privileges.  And because they've been treated 

20  as privileges, they have been denied to some of 

21  the people least powerful among us, including 

22  many children, people living in poverty, and many 

23  communities of color.  They find themselves 

24  burdened with environmental health risks that the 

25  rest of us can barely imagine.


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 1               My district lies in ancestral lands 

 2  of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.  The 

 3  Haudenosaunee Confederacy is a system of 

 4  governance based on a world view that always 

 5  considers the effects of your decisions on seven 

 6  generations to come.  The Haudenosaunee 

 7  Confederacy was also the basis for the design of 

 8  the United States Constitution.  But sadly, we 

 9  left out the fundamental underpinnings of that 

10  world view that have made the Haudenosaunee 

11  Confederacy so successful over the years.  

12               I am very proud to support moving 

13  our own understanding of the rights of 

14  New Yorkers closer to that traditional view that 

15  the Haudenosaunee have given to us, and I proudly 

16  vote aye.

17               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

18  Senator May to be recorded in the affirmative.

19               Senator Hinchey to explain her 

20  vote.

21               SENATOR HINCHEY:   Thank you, 

22  Mr. President.

23               As a new Senator, I am honored to 

24  cosponsor this bill, and I thank my colleague 

25  Senator Jackson for bringing forward this 


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 1  constitutional amendment guaranteeing New Yorkers 

 2  the right to clean air, clean water, and a 

 3  healthful environment.  

 4               I believe we can all agree that 

 5  access to clean air and clean water should be a 

 6  basic human right.  And yet in 2020 in many 

 7  places across my district and across New York 

 8  State in general, people are suffering.  They're 

 9  suffering with poisoned water sources and aging 

10  infrastructure that contaminates their water, 

11  leaving them sick and with no other option than 

12  to purchase and use bottled water.  

13               This is unacceptable.  It's clear 

14  that to date we have not done enough to protect 

15  our environment or the people that live here.

16               I am proud that one of my first 

17  votes as Senator is to codify these basic rights 

18  into our State Constitution.  New Yorkers deserve 

19  access to clean water, clean air, and a healthful 

20  environment.  By making it a part of our 

21  Constitution, we get one step closer to making 

22  sure that this is true for all residents of our 

23  state and can more seriously work to ensure that 

24  the great resource of our environment is 

25  protected for years to come.  


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 1               This constitutional amendment is 

 2  critical to the health and safety of New Yorkers 

 3  and is a needed step in combating climate change.  

 4  And for these reasons, I am proud to be here to 

 5  vote aye on it today.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 7  Senator Hinchey to be recorded in the 

 8  affirmative.

 9               Announce the results.

10               THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

11  Calendar 13, those Senators voting in the 

12  negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

13  Griffo, Helming, Jordan, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, 

14  Rath, Ritchie, Serino, Stec and Tedisco.

15               Ayes, 48.  Nays, 14.

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17  resolution is adopted.  

18               The Secretary will read.

19               THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20  11, Senate Print 515, by Senator Gianaris, 

21  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and Assembly 

22  proposing an amendment to Sections 2, 4, 5, 5-a 

23  and 5-b of Article 3 of the Constitution.

24               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

25  Senator Palumbo.


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 1               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you, 

 2  Mr. President.  Will the sponsor yield for a few 

 3  questions, please.

 4               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

 5  the sponsor yield?  

 6               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes, 

 7  Mr. President.

 8               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9  sponsor yields.  

10               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you, 

11  Senator.  And Happy New Year.

12               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Good morning.

13               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Good morning.  

14               I just have a few questions 

15  regarding the need to bring this amendment, in 

16  that the redistricting commission was established 

17  in 2020 -- it's been in existence for almost a 

18  year now -- and the State Budget provides that 

19  compensation and reimbursement of expenses would 

20  be provided to them.  

21               Can you tell us how much money, if 

22  any, has been appropriated for the commission as 

23  of today?  

24               SENATOR GIANARIS:   {Mic off; 

25  inaudible.}  I know there's been concerns about 


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 1  the money not flowing quickly enough, and I share 

 2  those concerns.  So I don't know what exact 

 3  amount has been allocated thus far, but I agree 

 4  that it should start flowing so the commission 

 5  can do its business.

 6               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Now, this 

 7  commission of course --

 8               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 9  Senator Palumbo, are you asking a question?  

10               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Oh, yes.  

11  Mr. President, would the sponsor yield for 

12  another question, please. 

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

14  the sponsor yield?

15               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17  sponsor yields.  

18               SENATOR PALUMBO:   And thank you.  

19  Thank you again, Senator.

20               And as far as this commission is 

21  concerned, that they had the opportunity to vote 

22  on the district maps and redistricting by seven 

23  of 10 members.  And we've added a new provision 

24  now that I'll read -- it adds Section 5-b to 

25  Article 3 of the Constitution, which states "If 


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 1  the commission does not vote on any redistricting 

 2  plan or plans, for any reason, by the date 

 3  required for submission of such plan by this 

 4  article, the commission shall submit to the 

 5  Legislature all plans in its possession, both 

 6  completed and in draft form, and the data upon 

 7  which such plans are based."

 8               Could you tell me the need for that 

 9  particular provision?  

10               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Sure.  That's 

11  just to provide for a contingency that the 

12  original amendment did not consider.  There was 

13  no specific provision that indicated what would 

14  happen in that scenario, and so we thought it 

15  would be better to make it clear.

16               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Understood.  And 

17  it's --

18               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

19  Senator Palumbo.

20               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Would the 

21  sponsor yield for another question?  

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

23  the sponsor yield?

24               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

25               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 


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 1  sponsor yields.  

 2               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you again, 

 3  Senator.  I'm trying to get used to the rules of 

 4  the new house, you know?  Been down the hall for 

 5  many years.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   I'll 

 7  remind you.

 8               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you again.  

 9               So, Senator, regarding that 

10  provision, I don't see anything in this proposed 

11  amendment that would provide the specific amount 

12  of votes needed by each house in the event they 

13  don't vote.  So if they approve it by seven of 

14  10 votes, is my understanding, then it would 

15  just -- it would be -- it would be approved by 

16  60 percent of each house.  If they cannot reach 

17  seven of 10 votes, then it was two-thirds of each 

18  house would have to override that or ultimately 

19  adopt the map.  

20               So my question to you is if they 

21  don't vote at all, I don't see any provision that 

22  would indicate what the specific vote by the 

23  houses would be needed.  Is it a majority, is it 

24  a supermajority, or is it 60 percent?

25               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Existing 


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 1  language, Senator Palumbo, is also silent on that 

 2  issue.  The existing language does not provide 

 3  for this scenario at all.  And so we're not 

 4  trying to tinker with whatever the existing 

 5  language would have said in that circumstance.  

 6  We just wanted to provide some guidance to what 

 7  would happen if the commission fails entirely, 

 8  doesn't produce a single map by the appropriate 

 9  vote.

10               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Will the sponsor 

11  yield for another question?  

12               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

13  the sponsor yield?

14               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16  sponsor yields.

17               SENATOR GIANARIS:   You're getting 

18  it now, Senator.  

19               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you again, 

20  Senator.  

21               And so what would the vote need to 

22  be in the event that there's no vote by the 

23  commission, the maps are submitted to the 

24  Legislature -- what would we need to pass and 

25  approve maps now, what percentage specifically, 


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 1  if you can at least indicate for that intent, 

 2  please. 

 3               SENATOR GIANARIS:   In that 

 4  scenario -- which again I think we're all hoping 

 5  doesn't occur, because we hope the commission is 

 6  able to come to an agreement.  But in that 

 7  scenario, we would be back to passing a piece of 

 8  legislation like any other, so that would be a 

 9  simple majority, presumably.

10               SENATOR PALUMBO:   So then would 

11  the sponsor yield for one more question?

12               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

13  the sponsor yield?

14               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16  sponsor yields.  

17               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Just so I'm 

18  clear, so it would be just a simple majority 

19  would ultimately approve the map.

20               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

21               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Okay, thank you.

22               Will the sponsor yield for another 

23  question?  

24               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

25  the sponsor yield?


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 1               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

 2               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3  sponsor yields.

 4               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Now, Senator, 

 5  regarding the drawing of maps, this somewhat 

 6  significantly changes the manner in which maps 

 7  are drawn, the existing manner we've been relying 

 8  upon for decades.

 9               So my concern is -- and if you 

10  could explain to me and try and alleviate that 

11  concern -- that once this is ratified, once it 

12  goes through a vote, it's certified, the 

13  commission will have held public hearings and 

14  drawn maps, and then the process will change very 

15  quickly and they need to submit the new maps by 

16  January.

17               Can you alleviate those concerns or 

18  explain to me why that provision was necessary to 

19  change the manner in which we draw maps?

20               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.  And 

21  Senator Palumbo, thank you for the question.

22               To start with, you make an 

23  interesting point, that this is changing the way 

24  things have been done for decades.  And I think 

25  the existing standards and processes have led to 


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 1  some of the worst gerrymandered maps the country 

 2  has seen, which has been a stain on New York in 

 3  terms of our redistricting process.

 4               So for the most part the change in 

 5  standards were accomplished in the existing 

 6  new -- "new" meaning in the last, you know, 

 7  recently approved amendment in 2014.  So a lot of 

 8  the standards are already changed.  I believe the 

 9  one significant change we make here is to remove 

10  the incentive for cities to be divided throughout 

11  the state, which has been one of the worst 

12  gerrymandered tools used by your predecessors in 

13  the majority when they drew the maps.

14               SENATOR PALUMBO:   So would the 

15  sponsor yield for another question, please. 

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Does 

17  the sponsor yield?

18               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Yes.

19               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

20  sponsor yields.  

21               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you again, 

22  Senator.  

23               So in that regard, when we look at 

24  page 2, it also allows you to now not only split 

25  the cities, but we also have stricken the clause 


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 1  at line 45:  "No counties shall have four or more 

 2  Senators unless it shall have a full ratio for 

 3  each Senator."  So that's stricken.  

 4               So we could now basically have any 

 5  county who may have an unlimited number of 

 6  Senators, is that accurate?

 7               SENATOR GIANARIS:   I'm sorry, 

 8  Senator Palumbo, I was reading the provision 

 9  while you were finishing your question.  Would 

10  you mind repeating it? 

11               SENATOR PALUMBO:   In light of the 

12  fact that that's stricken, there is no ultimate 

13  fallback provision limiting the number of 

14  Senators per county.  So now that that will no 

15  longer be in law or in our Constitution, we now 

16  have an unlimited number of Senators could be 

17  apportioned to any county.  Is that accurate?

18               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Right, 

19  that's -- that's a provision -- some of what 

20  we've done in this amendment is conform the State 

21  Constitution to existing constitutional norms.  

22  There's a lot of unconstitutional language that 

23  just sits in our Constitution and has been left 

24  there because it's not really applicable.  

25               So that's a one-person, one-vote 


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 1  issue.  You cannot restrict the number of 

 2  Senators in particular counties.  The original 

 3  Constitution of the State of New York hundreds of 

 4  years ago had strict limits that way, kind of the 

 5  way the U.S. Senate is apportioned, and that has 

 6  been deemed unconstitutional for many years in 

 7  this country.  So that's -- that's more of a 

 8  clean-up provision, I think, that you're 

 9  referring to.

10               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you for 

11  your time, Senator Gianaris.  

12               Mr. President, on the bill, please.

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

14  Senator Palumbo on the bill.

15               SENATOR PALUMBO:   Thank you again, 

16  Mr. President.  

17               Now, this is an Independent 

18  Redistricting Commission that was overwhelmingly 

19  approved by the voters.  It has not been funded, 

20  and it has not acted.  Quite frankly, this 

21  particular amendment handcuffs that commission to 

22  the extent that they will not, I suspect, be able 

23  to reach an agreement on maps.  Then what 

24  happens?  The fallback is it comes to this house 

25  and the Assembly, and by a simple majority 


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 1  vote -- this is a nuclear option that we have 

 2  created.  And we all saw what a fiasco that was 

 3  on the federal level.

 4               We now have a simple majority to 

 5  draw district lines.  That is a problem.  And 

 6  quite frankly, when we get to page 2, that 

 7  line 47, we are now striking the limit of four or 

 8  more Senators, that you cannot have more than -- 

 9  you can't have four or more unless there is a 

10  full complement.  Meaning, based on population, 

11  you have that number.

12               Now, when you look at the 

13  population of New York State as of 2019, we had 

14  19.45 million individuals in New York State.  

15  Divide that by 63 Senate districts, that's 

16  308,730 per district.

17               Now, when you put that into the 

18  population, for example, of New York City, in the 

19  five boroughs it was 8.4 million.  So New York 

20  City has enough bodies, enough of a population 

21  for 27.2 Senate districts.  That's 28 Senators in 

22  New York City alone.

23               And the reason why, I suspect, that 

24  this original provision included a limit on 

25  Senators was so that you could not specifically 


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 1  gerrymander.  When we talk about gerrymandering, 

 2  you're choosing your voters instead of your 

 3  voters choosing you.  

 4               And quite frankly, striking that 

 5  provision to limit four Senators is for no reason 

 6  other than gerrymandering.  When you think about 

 7  this and you think of the breakup of some of the 

 8  counties in our state, we are losing people in 

 9  droves from primarily upstate, as we've heard 

10  over many years now, for various reasons that we 

11  don't need to get into.  But the population 

12  upstate is shrinking.  

13               By proportion, New York City has 

14  more people in it -- more than 28 districts, 

15  quite frankly.  But now when you have some of the 

16  breakdown, for example, Republican to Democrat, 

17  some counties are 60, 90, 85 percent one party 

18  and the balance, all others.

19               So now that you can have more than 

20  four Senators representing a county, you can 

21  slice off some of that more favorable to any 

22  particular party and meander them into the 

23  suburbs.  I'm out on the east end of Long Island, 

24  I'm Senate District 1, as we all know -- First 

25  District first, as the great Ken LaValle used to 


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 1  say for many, many years in this house.  That you 

 2  could stretch my district, which is about a 

 3  fifty-fifty breakup between Republican and 

 4  Democrat, that you run my district all the way 

 5  into the city and take a few election districts, 

 6  or more than a few, and add and soften the ratio 

 7  to make mine primarily more, for example, 

 8  Democratic.  

 9               And then the other districts that 

10  were essentially 85, 90 percent Democrat, when my 

11  good friends and colleagues who represent those 

12  districts go on vacation after the primary -- 

13  they don't even have a general election that's 

14  really contested -- they'll soften that district 

15  a little to maybe 75 percent of their party, and 

16  then the balance would water down the rest.

17               So, my friends, this is the concern 

18  that we have with this bill, that this is 

19  clearly -- and it may have been done for other 

20  reasons, but the unintended consequence is 

21  clearly going to allow gerrymandering, which is 

22  exactly what we don't want to happen.  And the 

23  Legislature should not be choosing voters, the 

24  voters should be choosing us.  

25               As a result, I'll be voting in the 


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 1  negative, and I urge my colleagues to do the 

 2  same.

 3               Thank you, Mr. President.

 4               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 5  Senator Boyle on the bill.

 6               SENATOR BOYLE:   Mr. President, on 

 7  the bill.

 8               I want to thank my colleague 

 9  Senator Palumbo for a great debate on this piece 

10  of legislation.  

11               There's nobody in this chamber that 

12  supports the idea of redistricting reform more 

13  than I do.  As a matter of fact, many years ago 

14  when I served in the New York State Assembly, 

15  they redistricted my district in a way that most 

16  people couldn't believe -- took a line miles away 

17  down my block, around my house, and back up the 

18  other block.  The New York Times referred to me 

19  as the poster boy for redistricting reform in an 

20  editorial.

21               We need redistricting reform, and 

22  this piece of legislation lessens that ability.

23               Ten years ago we decided on a 

24  bipartisan basis to make it an independent, a 

25  truly independent redistricting commission.  What 


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 1  happened since then, the majorities changed, and 

 2  suddenly the reform-minded Democrats in the 

 3  Majority are in the majority now and they're not 

 4  so reform-minded.

 5               I would say that this is an 

 6  important piece of legislation, but not one that 

 7  we should be doing on the first day of our 

 8  legislative session.  

 9               There's an adage that some of my 

10  colleagues on the Majority side use:  Read the 

11  room.  I want to remind my colleagues it's a 

12  metaphor, it's not literal.  I think the Majority 

13  Conference in this building, in this chamber, 

14  thinks that "reading the room" means reading the 

15  Democratic Conference Room, and that they all 

16  want this bill on this floor today, and a couple 

17  of election reform bills.  

18               Reading the room, in my mind, is 

19  looking outside of this in what New Yorkers want.  

20  Every single one of us have our phones ringing 

21  off the hook of our constituents, millions of 

22  them, looking for vaccines.  It is an utter 

23  disaster.  Are we here today pressuring the 

24  Governor to do a better job, doing legislation to 

25  bring vaccines to millions of New Yorkers?  No.  


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 1  We're doing this piece of legislation and some 

 2  minor Election Law reforms.  

 3               Let's read the room.  Let's listen 

 4  to millions of New Yorkers, get vaccines.  

 5  Mr. President, I vote no.

 6               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 7  Senator Gianaris on the bill.

 8               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Thank you, 

 9  Mr. President.

10               I want to address a little bit of 

11  what was said here, because it's laughable to 

12  hear the complaints from the Minority.  Because 

13  what they are most upset about is that we're 

14  unraveling the grossly unfair redistricting that 

15  they have implemented for decades in this state.  

16               I have the advantage or 

17  disadvantage, depending on your point of view, of 

18  having been here long enough to have lived 

19  through the last redistricting.  And we had some 

20  of the worst lines, where communities are divided 

21  just to keep Democrats from getting elected, just 

22  to keep communities of color from having 

23  representation.  It was gross, and we're fixing 

24  it.

25               Now, the Republicans are so bad at 


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 1  what they do that we managed, this last election, 

 2  to win those seats anyway.  And so in the City of 

 3  Rochester, in the City of Syracuse, where 

 4  communities were intentionally divided to 

 5  maintain Republican representation, in 

 6  contradiction to what the voters actually wanted, 

 7  we're fixing that.  

 8               So yes, we were able to overcome it 

 9  politically because in fact it was the 

10  Republicans that hadn't read the room of the 

11  entire state in terms of what the people of this 

12  entire state wanted their representatives to 

13  advocate for.  But we should fix it going forward 

14  so that never again do we have to deal with that 

15  kind of gross abuse of a democratic process by 

16  the now Minority.  

17               And so, Mr. President, what the 

18  Republicans see as unfair is really just the 

19  restoration of fairness, allowing communities to 

20  actually be properly represented, as good 

21  government advocates should support.

22               So, Mr. President, I obviously 

23  encourage a yes vote on this important 

24  legislation.  It will do wonders for restoring 

25  faith in our democracy, at least at the state, 


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 1  while it's being torn apart by some folks 

 2  nationally.  

 3               And I would just give a little bit 

 4  of advice to my colleagues in the Minority.  

 5  Despite their best efforts at gerrymandering 

 6  through the years, they are still deeply in the 

 7  minority.  And if they would like to get out of 

 8  there, and or at least take steps in that 

 9  direction, they should not complain when we're 

10  trying to make the elections more fair.  They 

11  should actually listen to the people of this 

12  state and start holding beliefs in accordance 

13  with what New Yorkers would prefer.

14               Thank you, Mr. President.

15               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Are 

16  there any other Senators wishing to be heard?

17               Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

18  closed.

19               The Secretary will ring the bell.

20               Call the roll on the resolution.

21               (The Secretary called the roll.)

22               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

23  Senator Martucci to explain his vote.

24               SENATOR MARTUCCI:   Thank you, 

25  Mr. President.


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 1               Let us be clear about what we're 

 2  here doing today.  The Majority is voting to gut 

 3  a bipartisan independent commission, and instead 

 4  is looking to interject new rules that will allow 

 5  the Majority to control the redistricting 

 6  process.  

 7               This is exactly the partisan 

 8  nonsense that my constituents back home are sick 

 9  of seeing here out of Albany.  At a time when our 

10  small businesses are on life support and our 

11  communities are being ravaged by the pandemic, 

12  this Majority has chosen to help themselves 

13  rather than help their constituents, and that's 

14  sad.

15               Moreover, I'm not asking you to 

16  take my word for it.  Good government groups like 

17  Citizens United {sic} and the League of Women 

18  Voters have also condemned this proposal.  Any 

19  time the Republican Conference and Mike Martucci 

20  stands in unison with Citizens Union and the 

21  League of Women Voters and we actually agree on a 

22  proposal, that should be a clue that something is 

23  rotten in the bill.  

24               If you care about fairness, if you 

25  care about bipartisanship like me, and if you 


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 1  want to step away from the toxic politics of the 

 2  moment and step toward ways that we can work 

 3  together on good policy, you need to oppose this 

 4  amendment today.

 5               Mr. President, I vote nay and 

 6  encourage my colleagues to do the same.

 7               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 8  Senator Martucci to be recorded in the negative.

 9               Senator Lanza to explain his vote.

10               SENATOR LANZA:   To explain my 

11  vote, Mr. President, thank you.

12               You know, I take exception to some 

13  of the comments that were made regarding what 

14  happened in the past.  Let's remember, in the 

15  last 50 years the Republican Party never held 

16  control over the three -- the two houses of the 

17  Legislature and the executive branch.  Which 

18  meant that anything that has happened over the 

19  last 50 years was bipartisan, was as a result of 

20  compromise between Democrats and Republicans.  

21               And when there is compromise, when 

22  there is bipartisan work, when there is 

23  cooperation between the parties, that's when the 

24  people are best served.

25               You know, let's say it's true that 


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 1  in the past the Republicans were so wrong, were 

 2  so prejudiced, were so inequitable with respect 

 3  to redistricting that we ended up with this 

 4  injustice here in New York.  Let's say that's 

 5  true -- which it's not, in my opinion, humble.

 6               That is not an excuses to make 

 7  things worse, to go further in a partisan 

 8  direction.  If you believe that what happened in 

 9  the past was wrong, then you should not repeat 

10  that offense as an excuse -- the old adage, two 

11  wrongs don't make a right.  But beyond that, you 

12  shouldn't double down, which is what is happening 

13  here.

14               You know, the people voted.  They 

15  wanted independence here.  A reform-minded 

16  people, on both sides of the aisle, came together 

17  years ago and said, you know, we've got to fix 

18  this, there are issues here, let's have an 

19  independent council do this.  

20               And so when we talk about the 

21  preference of the voters, we know what it is, 

22  very clearly.  They want independence.  This 

23  legislation takes us in the opposite direction.  

24               And yes, I agree with Senator 

25  Gianaris:  You have to be careful when you talk 


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 1  about majorities, the tyranny of the majority.  

 2  People ought to fear majorities in government, 

 3  especially unanimous majorities.  Because that's 

 4  when people stop listening to each other.

 5               And that's what we see here.  We 

 6  see a move away from independence to a new system 

 7  where one party is going to make all the 

 8  decisions.  And whether it's the Republican Party 

 9  or the Democratic Party, that never works out for 

10  the people of the State of New York or anywhere 

11  else in this country.

12               And so, accordingly, I vote no.

13               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   

14  Senator Gianaris to explain his vote.

15               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Thank you, 

16  Mr. President.  

17               Of course we're not making this 

18  worse, we're making it better.  I appreciate that 

19  Senator Lanza thinks that removing the unfair 

20  obstacles they intentionally put in the way is 

21  making things worse.  It's making it worse for 

22  them, I suppose, because they were building in 

23  unfair and antidemocratic advantages -- 

24  antidemocratic with a small "d" -- into this 

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 1               And yes, those that agreed to this 

 2  amendment almost a decade ago, and signed onto 

 3  it, should be criticized.  And I criticized 

 4  everyone, including the Governor, when he agreed 

 5  to it with you.

 6               But the tradition in this chamber 

 7  has been -- in the Capitol, I should say -- has 

 8  been that each house takes care of its own lines 

 9  and everybody else signs off on it.  And so it 

10  was not a bipartisan agreement in the sense that 

11  the Executive and the Assembly sat there and drew 

12  the lines of the Senate collaboratively with the 

13  Senators -- they just agreed to whatever you 

14  wanted them to do.

15               And so let's just be clear that 

16  what we're doing now is actually creating a fair 

17  process, actually removing partisanship from this 

18  commission, which was intentionally built in as 

19  part of that rotten deal almost a decade ago.  

20               And I enjoyed Senator Martucci's 

21  accidental slip of the tongue when he referred to 

22  Citizens United supporting this.  Of course, 

23  Citizens United is an entity that's known with 

24  one of the most antidemocratic rulings that the 

25  Supreme Court of this country has ever made, 


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 1  allowing free flowing of dark money into our 

 2  campaigns.  I'm sure he meant Citizens Union.  

 3               But this has been an issue that has 

 4  divided the good government community.  NYPIRG 

 5  and Common Cause opposed this amendment at the 

 6  time and support the amendment we're putting 

 7  forward today.  And I believe the good government 

 8  groups that were supporting it back then thought 

 9  it was merely the best they can get with an 

10  unfair Republican majority driving the train in 

11  this house. 

12               So this is an improvement.  This is 

13  something that will create less partisanship and 

14  more independence in the process, and I encourage 

15  everyone to vote yes, as I am.  

16               Thank you, Mr. President.

17               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

18  Senator Gianaris to be recorded in the 

19  affirmative.

20               Announce the results.

21               THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

22  Calendar 11, those Senators voting in the 

23  negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Boyle, 

24  Gallivan, Griffo, Helming, Jordan, Lanza, 

25  Martucci, Mattera, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt,  


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 1  Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, Serino, Stec, Tedisco and 

 2  Weik.

 3               Ayes, 42.  Nays, 20.

 4               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 5  resolution is adopted.

 6               Senator Gianaris, that completes 

 7  the reading of the controversial calendar.

 8               SENATOR GIANARIS:   Is there any 

 9  further business at the desk, Mr. President?  

10               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

11  is no further business at the desk.

12               SENATOR GIANARIS:   In that case I 

13  move to adjourn until Tuesday, January 19th, at 

14  3:00 p.m., with intervening days being 

15  legislative days.

16               ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   On 

17  motion, the Senate stands adjourned until 

18  Tuesday, January 19th, at 3:00 p.m., with 

19  intervening days being legislative days.  

20               (Whereupon, at 12:07 p.m., the 

21  Senate adjourned.)

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