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3:51 PMRegular SessionALBANY, NEW YORK
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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                   March 18, 2026

11                      3:51 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR JEREMY COONEY, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 3    Senate will come to order.  

 4                 I ask everyone to please rise and 

 5    recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                 (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7    the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.) 

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 9    Reverend Dr. Darren M. Morton, of 

10    Macedonia Baptist Church in Mount Vernon, 

11    New York, will deliver today's invocation.  

12                 REVEREND DR. MORTON:   Let us all 

13    pray.

14                 Father God, we come, we thank You 

15    for this day.  We thank You for everything that 

16    You have done and everything that You will do in 

17    our lives.  We thank You, God, for the new 

18    mercies of each and every day.  

19                 God, we thank You for this here, 

20    this Senate.  We ask now, God, that You will 

21    bless each and every one who transacts business 

22    on behalf of the New York State residents.  

23                 God, we ask that You bless not only 

24    the chambers, but You bless each individual and 

25    bless their constituents.  


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 1                 God, that we will always continue to 

 2    do what is the responsibility of public servants, 

 3    and that is to serve Your people to the best of 

 4    our ability, that we may invoke all of the 

 5    kindness and the love but most of all, God, that 

 6    we may provide the proper service to those people 

 7    whom You have put underneath the charge of these, 

 8    your leaders.  

 9                 This we ask in Thy precious name, 

10    amen.

11                 (Response of "Amen.")

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Reading 

13    of the Journal.

14                 THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Tuesday, 

15    March 17, 2026, the Senate met pursuant to 

16    adjournment.  The Journal of Monday, March 16, 

17    2026, was read and approved.  On motion, the 

18    Senate adjourned.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Without 

20    objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

21                 Presentation of petitions.

22                 Messages from the Assembly.

23                 Messages from the Governor.

24                 Reports of standing committees.

25                 Reports of select committees.


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 1                 Communications and reports from 

 2    state officers.

 3                 Motions and resolutions.

 4                 Senator Gianaris.

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Good afternoon, 

 6    Mr. President.

 7                 On behalf of Senator Kavanagh, I 

 8    wish to call up Senate Print 1239E, recalled from 

 9    the Assembly, which is now at the desk. 

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

11    Secretary will read.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13    213, Senate Print 1239E, by Senator Kavanagh, an 

14    act to amend the Agriculture and Markets Law.

15                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Move to 

16    reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

18    Secretary will now call the roll on 

19    reconsideration.

20                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

23    is restored to its place on the Third Reading 

24    Calendar.

25                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   I offer the 


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 1    following amendments to make it an F print.

 2                 (Laughter.)

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 4    amendments are received.

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Please recognize 

 6    Senator Webb for an introduction.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

 8    Webb for an introduction.

 9                 SENATOR WEBB:   Thank you, 

10    Mr. President.  

11                 I rise as the chair of the 

12    Women's Issues Committee in the Senate, and I 

13    have the distinct honor and pleasure of 

14    recognizing our 2026 honorees for the New York 

15    State Legislative Women's Caucus, as part of our 

16    Women's History Month continued commemoration.  

17                 Women's History Month is more than a 

18    time to reflect on the past; it is a moment to 

19    recognize the living, breathing legacy of women 

20    whose leadership continues to shape our 

21    communities every single day across our great 

22    state.

23                 In New York, that legacy runs very 

24    deep, from the early organizers of the suffrage 

25    movement who gathered in our state to demand a 


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 1    voice in democracy, to trailblazers like Shirley 

 2    Chisholm, Constance Baker Motley, Ida Sammis, 

 3    Ruth Bader Ginsburg.  Our history is filled with 

 4    women who refused to accept the limits that 

 5    society tried to place on them.  

 6                 They challenged the status quo, they 

 7    broke barriers often that were glass and most 

 8    certainly, in most cases, brick ceilings, they 

 9    transformed institutions that once excluded them.  

10                 The story of women's history is not 

11    confined to textbooks or monuments, it is 

12    unfolding right now in classrooms, hospitals, 

13    courtrooms, small businesses, community 

14    organizations, and most certainly in chambers 

15    like this one.

16                 Across New York, women are leading 

17    in many spaces, advocating for communities that 

18    quite often go unheard.  The women we honor today 

19    represent that same spirit.  They are educators, 

20    advocates, entrepreneurs, public servants, and 

21    community builders.  They are unstoppable leaders 

22    whose dedication represents the best of us 

23    because they are committed to improving the lives 

24    of people across our state.

25                 Their work reminds us that progress 


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 1    is never inevitable.  It is built step-by-step by 

 2    people who choose to speak out and move their 

 3    communities forward.

 4                 Honoring these great leaders that 

 5    are here today, it is important to not only 

 6    recognize them, but it is also an opportunity we 

 7    have to ensure that the next generation sees what 

 8    leadership looks like, for women and girls across 

 9    New York understand that their voices belong in 

10    every room where decisions are made.

11                 Here in the New York State Senate, 

12    we have worked to carry that responsibility 

13    forward by advancing policies that strengthen 

14    women's healthcare, promote economic opportunity, 

15    support families, and protect the fundamental 

16    right to live and work free from discrimination.

17                 And so today as we celebrate and 

18    honor women who have already made an incredible 

19    impact, we want to thank all of our honorees for 

20    the example that you set, the differences that 

21    you make in our communities across this great 

22    state.  Not just this month, but every month, we 

23    celebrate you.

24                 And so I am pleased to be joined by 

25    my honoree, Ms. Phoebe Brown, who served eight 


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 1    years as the Central New York coordinator for the 

 2    Alliance of Families for Justice, supporting 

 3    families impacted by incarceration and advocating 

 4    for reform of our criminal justice system.

 5                 She has committed her life to public 

 6    service, and she reflects not only her commitment 

 7    to those who are most vulnerable, but she is 

 8    someone that makes Senate District 52 proud.  

 9                 And she is also joined by many other 

10    incredible women from across this great state 

11    that my colleagues have chosen as their 

12    respective honorees.  And their names are:  

13    Elissa Montati, Candace Aguirre Holley, 

14    Mayor Sharon Owens, Nicola Armacost, 

15    Denise Olivo, Dr. May Edward Chin, 

16    Lorraine Stevens, Stacey Mrva, Randi Shibin 

17    Dresner, Stacy Pettigrew, Manna Jo Greene, 

18    Kim Smith, and Dr. April Aycock.  And there are 

19    many other honorees as well.  

20                 These are lifelong advocates, 

21    educators, electeds whose contributions are truly 

22    what make us better.  To all of our honorees, we 

23    want you to know that what you do every single 

24    day brings us great pride, and we thank you for 

25    all you have done and what you will continue to 


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 1    do.  

 2                 I also want to thank our 

 3    Senate Majority Leader, Senator Andrea 

 4    Stewart-Cousins, and of course our New York State 

 5    Legislative Women's Caucus chair for not only 

 6    elevating this year's honorees, but also once 

 7    again commemorating this important month this 

 8    year and for many more years to come.

 9                 I proudly vote aye and also ask for 

10    our great leader to acknowledge all of our 

11    honorees here in the chamber today and extend 

12    them the privileges of the house.

13                 Thank you.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

15    you, Senator Webb.

16                 Senator Gianaris.

17                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Now please 

18    recognize Senator Helming for more remarks from 

19    the Minority.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

21    Helming for an introduction and remarks.

22                 SENATOR HELMING:   Thank you, 

23    Mr. President.  

24                 As Senator Webb shared, earlier 

25    today many of us had the opportunity to take part 


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 1    in a truly inspiring Legislative Women's Caucus 

 2    Women's History Month celebration.  One of the 

 3    highlights of today was this afternoon's luncheon 

 4    celebration where we heard about the remarkable 

 5    stories from women from all across the State of 

 6    New York.  

 7                 These women, as Senator Webb said, 

 8    were business owners, educators, healthcare 

 9    providers, public servants, passionate advocates.  

10    They were mothers and grandmothers, women whose 

11    talents, dedication and leadership are making our 

12    communities, making our state and our entire 

13    nation so much stronger.

14                 Each story we heard today was very 

15    unique, but I found that there was a common 

16    thread.  That was resilience, determination, and 

17    a willingness to lead, to not let anything stand 

18    in your way.

19                 First thing this morning we had the 

20    opportunity to meet with Governor Hochul, and she 

21    talked about New York State being at the center 

22    of the women's rights movement.  Well, if 

23    New York State is the center, the heart is the 

24    Finger Lakes region, a region that I am so proud 

25    to represent, and it's widely known as the 


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 1    birthplace of the women's rights movement.  

 2                 And my honoree is from the 

 3    Finger Lakes region and the birthplace of the 

 4    women's rights movement.  She's here today, 

 5    Stacey Mrva.  Her husband Tom is also here with 

 6    her.  I'm so proud to be able to honor Stacey in 

 7    this way.  Stacey is a welder, a metal sculptor 

 8    and small businesses owner.  She owns 

 9    Ironwood Studios in Livingston County.  

10                 She has built an incredibly 

11    successful career in a field that's long been 

12    dominated by men.  She's not only breaking 

13    barriers, but she's helping so many others to do 

14    the same.

15                 Stacey's metalwork is on display 

16    throughout the Finger Lakes region.  I had the 

17    opportunity to be at one of her unveilings of 

18    sculptures in the Village of Churchville.  I was 

19    particularly moved by a piece that paid tribute 

20    to suffragette Frances Willard.  Frances believed 

21    that when women gain independence and 

22    opportunity, our communities grow stronger.  

23                 That message still resonates very 

24    strongly today, and it's one of the reasons why I 

25    selected Stacey.  Through her welding workshops, 


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 1    Stacey teaches women of all ages, military 

 2    veterans, and individuals rebuilding their lives 

 3    to find the spark within themselves, to discover 

 4    strength, confidence, and new possibilities.  

 5    Stacey is not just shaping metal, she is helping 

 6    shape the future of so many.

 7                 I just want to take a moment too to 

 8    recognize Heather Ferrero.  She's the deputy 

 9    director of planning for Livingston County.  She 

10    was nominated by Assemblywoman Andrea Bailey.  

11                 I appreciate the tremendous work 

12    that Heather is doing to protect and preserve the 

13    Finger Lakes region.  

14                 Each of the women recognized today 

15    represents the very best of our state.  And 

16    today, to all of our honorees and to the women 

17    across our state who every day lead, serve, and 

18    lift up others, you have our deepest respect and 

19    our sincere appreciation.

20                 Thank you, Mr. President.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

22    you, Senator Helming.

23                 To our women honorees, we welcome 

24    you on behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you 

25    the privileges and courtesies of the house.  


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 1                 Please rise and be recognized.

 2                 (Standing ovation.)

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

 4    Gianaris.  

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Please recognize 

 6    Mason Kevin Parker for an introduction, please.  

 7                 (Laughter.)

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Mason and 

 9    Senator Parker for an introduction.

10                 SENATOR PARKER:   Thank you, 

11    Mr. President.  

12                 Many of you know me as State Senator 

13    Kevin Parker who represents the 21st District in 

14    Brooklyn, the chair of the Energy and 

15    Telecommunications Committee and the 

16    Senior Assistant Majority Leader of the New York 

17    State Senate.  

18                 But in my life outside of here, in 

19    The Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of 

20    the State of New York, I hold several other 

21    titles.  And today is Prince Hall Day.  

22                 And so I'm also known as Past Master 

23    of Sons of Kings Lodge Number 123, current 

24    Worthy Patron of Sunshine Chapter Number 34.  I 

25    am the Illustrious Potentate of Abu Bekr Temple 


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 1    Number 91, as well as the Captain of the Guard in 

 2    Mystic Tie Council Number 8 of Royal and Select 

 3    Masters, as well as the King in the Holy Royal 

 4    Arch Masons of the State of New York, 

 5    Mount Moriah Chapter Number 3, as well as being a 

 6    member of Deborah Chapter in the Heroines of 

 7    Jericho and Mystic Tie Chapter Number 3 in the 

 8    Ladies of the Circle of Perfection.

 9                 And so in that world, I have been 

10    elevated to have an opportunity to work with a 

11    group of people who are really amazing and 

12    oftentimes unsung.  There is a mythology about 

13    Masonry generally, about it being a secret 

14    society.  And it's not really a secret society.  

15    Right?  Like we don't -- we have shirts and hats 

16    that says we're Masons.  Right?  But it is a 

17    society of secrets.  

18                 And when you want to understand what 

19    Masonry is, what we say it is is a beautiful 

20    system of morality veiled in allegory and 

21    illustrated by symbols.  But at base, it's a 

22    fraternity and sorority and a charity.  It is a 

23    group of people who have gotten together in the 

24    cause of mutual aid to support one another in 

25    their daily trials and tribulations.  


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 1                 And they lift as they climb by doing 

 2    all sorts of charity work.  Probably the biggest 

 3    thing that you've seen Masonic communities do is 

 4    probably the Shriners Hospital, right?  

 5    Everybody's familiar with it, right?  So even 

 6    though that's on the Shriners side, it is -- all 

 7    those folks are Masons as well.

 8                 But I'm a member of The Most 

 9    Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of the State 

10    of New York, where I'm also the chair of the 

11    Civic Action Committee.  And today we're having 

12    Prince Hall Day, and so we have members of the 

13    Prince Hall Society here.  

14                 And before I introduce them, I 

15    quickly want to tell you who Prince Hall was.  

16    Prince Hall was a man who was born in enslavement 

17    in Boston and got his freedom and became an 

18    abolitionist.  And he was trying to work to free 

19    other people of African descent in Boston.  You 

20    know, in the mid-1700s, right, before the 

21    American Revolution.  

22                 And what he found was that a lot of 

23    the people who were in charge at that time were 

24    Masons, so he sought to be a Mason to come into 

25    common cause and to get into connection with 


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 1    those important people.  And at that time they 

 2    were not -- they would not make somebody of 

 3    African descent a Mason.  

 4                 And so he finally found an Irish 

 5    military lodge that on -- I'm sure you'll like 

 6    this date -- on March 6, 1775, which is actually 

 7    my and Senator Shelley Mayer's birthday -- well, 

 8    not 1775.  We're a little bit after that.  

 9                 (Laughter.)

10                 SENATOR PARKER:   But on March 6th, 

11    he and 14 others that we now lovingly refer to as 

12    the Immortal 15 were initiated, passed and raised 

13    to the sublime degree of Master Mason.  And after 

14    a confluence of issues of things that kind of 

15    went on, they became African Lodge Number 1, and 

16    then later on became African Lodge Number 459.  

17                 And Prince Hall becomes the patron 

18    saint of that sector of Masons.  And now you find 

19    Masonic -- Prince Hall Masonic Lodges all over 

20    the world.  And here in New York State, we have a 

21    very prominent group of people.  

22                 And I'd like to ask all of the 

23    Prince Hall Masons and the members of the 

24    Eastern Stars to please rise and be recognized.  

25                 And here with us today is the 


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 1    Most Worshipful Grand Master, Dr. Darren M. 

 2    Morton, who is the conservator of Prince Hall 

 3    Masonry.  We have the Deputy Grand Master, 

 4    Brother Jean Apollon; Brother Sandino Sanchez, 

 5    who is the Junior Grand Warden.  We have 

 6    Brother Grant Valentine, who is the Grand Worthy 

 7    Patron.  And last but certainly not least, our 

 8    Grand Worthy Matron, Sister Marsha Mack.  

 9                 And I want to thank them for being 

10    here.  I want to thank them for taking the time 

11    and, not seeing a robbery, to being engaged, 

12    again, in the communities around this state.  

13    There are probably very few districts represented 

14    in this room that do not have a Prince Hall 

15    Masonic Lodge, and if not a Prince Hall, a 

16    Grand Lodge of the State of New York Lodge.

17                 We have a number of people in this 

18    chamber who are members of Prince Hall, including 

19    Senator Leroy Comrie.  And -- well, Senator 

20    Fernandez, Nathalia Fernandez was looking for 

21    who's been with us today.  

22                 And I really am thankful for this 

23    body and for the openness as we've done this, to 

24    take meetings, have conversations with their 

25    constituents about some of these issues.  The 


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 1    things that the members of the Order of the 

 2    Eastern Star and the members of the craft are 

 3    talking about are the same day-to-day 

 4    bread-and-butter issues that we're concerned 

 5    about.  Right?  Affordability.  We have a number 

 6    of vets in this organization, and providing 

 7    services for them, making sure that their civil 

 8    rights are held up, making sure that we have 

 9    affordable housing and accessible healthcare.  

10                 And so, you know, we work in common 

11    cause, and this work must continue as another 

12    important group that does this work today.

13                 And so thank you for the 

14    recognition, and thank you for us for this 

15    opportunity to be recognized by the New York 

16    State Senate.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

18    you, Senator Parker.  

19                 To our guests, I welcome you on 

20    behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you the 

21    privileges and courtesies of the house.  

22                 Please rise and be recognized.

23                 (Standing ovation.)

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

25    Gianaris.


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 1                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 2    please take up previously adopted 

 3    Resolution 1734, by Senator Hinchey, have its 

 4    title read, and call on Senator Hinchey.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 6    Secretary will read.

 7                 THE SECRETARY:   Resolution 1734, by 

 8    Senator Hinchey, memorializing Governor Kathy 

 9    Hochul to proclaim March 15 through 21, 2026, as 

10    Agriculture Week in the State of New York.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

12    Hinchey on the resolution.

13                 SENATOR HINCHEY:   No farms, no 

14    food, Mr. President.  

15                 When folks think about agriculture, 

16    they often picture tractors and rural areas.  But 

17    what agriculture is, is our food supply.  That 

18    makes New York agriculture one of the most 

19    important things that we have a responsibility to 

20    protect and support.  

21                 We have over 30,000 family farms 

22    that generate nearly $90 billion in economic 

23    impact.  Our farms grow and produce what's called 

24    the "full plate" -- fruits, vegetables, grains, 

25    meats, and dairy.  And we lead the entire 


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 1    Northeast in production for many products.  For 

 2    instance, we are number one in yogurt, sour cream 

 3    and cottage cheese.  We are number two in maple 

 4    syrup, apples and cabbage.  And we're 

 5    number three in grapes, snap beans and squash, up 

 6    from fourth just last year.  

 7                 And thanks to state funding in ag 

 8    research and technology, New York's dairy cows 

 9    outproduce those in Pennsylvania and Vermont by 

10    more than 500 gallons of milk per year.  That's 

11    attracted major economic investment into our 

12    state from global dairy brands, including 

13    Chobani, Fairlife, and others.  

14                 To quote our commissioner of Ag & 

15    Markets, "I'm incredibly excited about the future 

16    of New York agriculture."  

17                 These are remarkable 

18    accomplishments, but they again don't come close 

19    to capturing what agriculture actually is.  It's 

20    one of humanity's most enduring and personally 

21    traditions, the act of tending to the earth to 

22    feed your family and your neighbors, which is not 

23    something you can measure in market share.  It's 

24    something that you feel in the weight of growing 

25    something from nothing and the pride of passing 


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 1    that craft to the next generation, to those who 

 2    will pick up the mantle.  

 3                 This legislative body understands 

 4    that.  And I'm incredibly proud of the work that 

 5    we're doing to fight for our farmers, to expand 

 6    access to food across New York State.  

 7                 For instance, we are working to 

 8    expand Farm-to-School, so that students can eat 

 9    fresh, healthy food while expanding a critical 

10    market for our farmers.  

11                 We're working to create the 

12    first-ever farm weather resiliency grants, so 

13    that farmers can have a lifeline to recover 

14    losses from severe weather.  

15                 We're pushing for clearer "use by" 

16    food labeling dates, so that more food reaches 

17    people's plates and less food ends up in the 

18    landfills.  

19                 And we're working to increase 

20    support for vital programs like Nourish New York 

21    and Double Up Food Bucks, which have supported 

22    our farmers and have made sure that people across 

23    our state, regardless of where they live or that 

24    their means may be, can eat Locally sourced 

25    healthy food.


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 1                 And we've partnered with the SUNY 

 2    chancellor, John King, to launch the first SUNY 

 3    Agritech Center to spark interest in ag careers 

 4    for students all over the state and to expand 

 5    access to cutting-edge training that will keep 

 6    New York agriculture strong for generations to 

 7    come.

 8                 In New York we know that if we do 

 9    right by our farmers, we protect a stable, local 

10    food supply as well as businesses that care about 

11    the communities in which they operate.  

12                 I want to thank all of my colleagues 

13    for joining me in standing up for New York 

14    agriculture, which supports all of our 

15    communities.  

16                 Thank you, Mr. President, and Happy 

17    Agriculture Week.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

19    you, Senator Hinchey.

20                 The resolution was adopted on 

21    March 17th.

22                 Senator Gianaris.

23                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Next up, 

24    Mr. President, is previously adopted 

25    Resolution 1725, by Senator Liu.  Please read 


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 1    that resolution's title and recognize 

 2    Senator Liu.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 4    Secretary will read.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Resolution 1725, by 

 6    Senator Liu, memorializing Governor Kathy Hochul 

 7    to proclaim March 23, 2026, as Pakistan-American 

 8    Heritage Day in the State of New York.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

10    Liu on the resolution.

11                 SENATOR LIU:   Thank you, 

12    Mr. President.

13                 I'm so delighted and honored to 

14    stand today to talk about a community that 

15    has made New York State the greatest state in the 

16    universe.  

17                 We often talk about how our 

18    diversity makes us strong, and part of that 

19    diversity is a community -- a very proud and 

20    successful community, a hardworking community 

21    with ethics and professionalism, and that is the 

22    Pakistani-American community.  Which for -- not 

23    necessarily a new immigrant community, but now 

24    for generations.  In fact, it's been said that on 

25    average, we are in the second generation of 


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 1    Pakistani-Americans who first emigrated here 

 2    several decades ago and have made America and 

 3    indeed our State of New York their home, setting 

 4    up small businesses and now large businesses as 

 5    well, professional practices, excelling in our 

 6    public schools, creating places of worship and 

 7    cultural celebrations.  

 8                 The Pakistani-American community has 

 9    contributed so much to the State of New York.  

10    And we honor the community on March 23rd, 

11    designating it Pakistani-American Day in the 

12    State of New York.

13                 I'm so proud to present this 

14    resolution for all of my colleagues to consider, 

15    and especially proud that we are joined today by 

16    the very -- very prolific organization that 

17    advocates for the community, the American 

18    Pakistani Advocacy Group.  They are in the 

19    gallery.  Welcome.  

20                 Don't stand yet, because the 

21    president is going to ask you to stand.

22                 (Laughter.)

23                 SENATOR LIU:   They are led by our 

24    brother, our friend, Ali Rashid, who is here on 

25    the floor with us.  And he is joined by 


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 1    His Excellency, none other than Rizwan Saeed 

 2    Sheikh, the Pakistani ambassador to the 

 3    United States, as well as Aamer Ahmed Atozai, the 

 4    Consul General of Pakistan here in New York.  

 5                 It is with great pride that I 

 6    present all these individuals and recognize the 

 7    illustrious Pakistani-American community, 

 8    Mr. President.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

10    you, Senator Liu.

11                 Senator Stavisky on the resolution.

12                 SENATOR STAVISKY:   Yes, thank you, 

13    Mr. President.  

14                 And I too am honored to represent so 

15    many people from the South Asian community and 

16    especially from Pakistan.  We are celebrating 

17    with you on March 23rd.  

18                 Welcome to the ambassador, and to 

19    Rashid Ali and the people, the folks, our friends 

20    and neighbors from the advocacy group.

21                 I was intrigued by your mission 

22    statement:  The three Es, engage, empower and 

23    elevate.  And that is a message not just for the 

24    Pakistani-American community but for everybody:  

25    To engage in the community, to participate, to 


                                                               1522

 1    the leaders in all of the fields that Senator Liu 

 2    has mentioned, the STEM, the teaching, education, 

 3    et cetera.  

 4                 We are proud to have you here.  

 5                 And Mr. President, I know you will 

 6    extend the welcome that they so richly deserve.

 7                 Thank you, Mr. President.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

 9    you, Senator.

10                 Senator Comrie on the resolution.

11                 SENATOR COMRIE:   Thank you, 

12    Mr. President.

13                 Today I rise to recognize and 

14    celebrate Pakistan Day, a day that marks the 

15    historic Lahore resolution which laid the 

16    foundation for the creation of Pakistan.  

17                 Pakistan Day commemorates the 

18    enduring aspirations of people for 

19    self-determination, democratic governance, and 

20    national identity.  It is a moment not only of 

21    historical reflection but of pride in the 

22    resilience, culture and contributions of 

23    Pakistani people around the globe.

24                 Here in New York, particularly in 

25    Southeast Queens and throughout the state, we are 


                                                               1523

 1    proud to be home to a vibrant and growing 

 2    Pakistani-American community.  The contributions 

 3    of the community enrich our neighbors in 

 4    countless ways, through small businesses that 

 5    power our local economy, through active civic 

 6    engagement that strengthens our democracy, and 

 7    through cultural traditions that add to the rich 

 8    tapestry of our state.  

 9                 In Senate District 14, I've had the 

10    privilege of working alongside many leaders, 

11    including Rashid Ali, who is here today, and 

12    other members of the Pakistani community to 

13    develop a strong community.  Whether in 

14    education, healthcare, public service, or the 

15    arts, their impact is both meaningful and 

16    lasting.

17                 As the Pakistani community continues 

18    to grow in my district, we want to make sure that 

19    whatever they're doing and however they want to 

20    contribute, we give them that opportunity for 

21    respect, for recognition, and for an enduring 

22    presence in our community.

23                 I want to thank the ambassador for 

24    coming today as well, to celebrate with 

25    Pakistanis throughout the state.  


                                                               1524

 1                 And I want to remind all of our 

 2    colleagues that we need to make sure that as we 

 3    recognize, in the Pakistani community, their 

 4    traditions, their opportunities, and their 

 5    desires, that we can continue to do that for all 

 6    of the residents of New York State, that we can 

 7    continue to allow this state to be what it was 

 8    meant to be originally -- a state that has 

 9    diversity, acceptance, and an opportunity for all 

10    people to become great residents of New York 

11    State.

12                 Thank you, Mr. President, for the 

13    opportunity to celebrate Pakistan.  Thank you, 

14    Senator Liu, for the opportunity to bring this 

15    resolution and this annual day forward.

16                 Thank you.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

18    you, Senator.

19                 Senator Ramos on the resolution.

20                 SENATOR RAMOS:   Thank you, 

21    Mr. President.  

22                 What kind of Queens State Senator 

23    would I be if I too did not rise to celebrate my 

24    Pakistani neighbors in Jackson Heights, 

25    East Elmhurst, Elmhurst and Corona?  I mean, the 


                                                               1525

 1    contributions from our Pakistani neighbors have 

 2    been endless, countless, for decades.  And I am 

 3    very thankful for all of their support in making 

 4    our community vibrant.  

 5                 We have delicious Pakistani 

 6    restaurants that everyone should enjoy, whether 

 7    it's Dera Restaurant, Kabab King -- and I could 

 8    stand here all day.  

 9                 But most of all, we know that as 

10    Ramadan is coming to a close, we want to also 

11    recognize all of the efforts of our immigrant 

12    generation of Pakistanis, and of course their 

13    children and grandchildren, who are quickly 

14    becoming professionals, outstanding citizens, who 

15    just add to the vibrancy of our community every 

16    day.

17                 So even though Independence Day is 

18    in August, today we want to recognize our 

19    Pakistani neighbors and wish them the very best 

20    as they continue to make New York a better place.

21                 Thank you.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

23    you, Senator.

24                 Senator Martins on the resolution.

25                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 


                                                               1526

 1    Mr. President.  I too rise to support the 

 2    resolution.  

 3                 New York is a better place because 

 4    of the Pakistani community in our state.  As I 

 5    can attest, in the 7th Senate District -- vibrant 

 6    community, hardworking, civically engaged.  And 

 7    certainly when it comes to the three Es, as 

 8    Senator Stavisky said, to engage, to elevate and 

 9    to empower, they are reflective of the efforts of 

10    the community and we see it each and every day.

11                 So thank you, Senator Liu, for 

12    sponsoring the resolution.  

13                 And to our Pakistani friends here 

14    and across New York State, thank you for all you 

15    do to make this state all that it is.

16                 Thank you.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

18    you, Senator.

19                 To our guests, I welcome you on 

20    behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you the 

21    privileges and courtesies of the house.  

22                 Please rise and be recognized.

23                 (Standing ovation.)

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

25    resolution was adopted on March 17th.


                                                               1527

 1                 Senator Gianaris.

 2                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 3    please call on Senator Rhoads for an 

 4    introduction.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

 6    Rhoads for an introduction.  

 7                 SENATOR RHOADS:   Thank you, 

 8    Senator Gianaris, and thank you, Mr. President.

 9                 So my first visit to our lovely 

10    State Capitol was actually 44 years ago, when as 

11    a 7th grader in junior high school, I came up to 

12    lobby, for additional state aid to education, our 

13    then State Assemblyman Fred Parola and our then 

14    State Senator Norman Levy, whose seat I am now 

15    honored to hold.

16                 And it is a -- it's always a special 

17    treat when we have students, young, bright minds 

18    coming up from Long Island to come visit us.  And 

19    I want to recognize one such group today.  We are 

20    proud to welcome to the Senate chamber some of 

21    New York's shining stars visiting us today from 

22    the Mercaz Academy.  

23                 Opening its doors in the 

24    Plainview-Old Bethpage community, which I am 

25    proud to represent with Senator Jack Martins, the 


                                                               1528

 1    Mercaz Academy provides preschool through 

 2    6th-grade students a foundation in Judaic and 

 3    secular studies, emphasizing personal growth in 

 4    an intimate and innovative environment, 

 5    cultivating tomorrow's leaders through building 

 6    character and reinforcing values in an inclusive, 

 7    warm and supportive atmosphere.

 8                 Now, back in November I had the 

 9    chance to visit with their principal, 

10    Rabbi Kalman Fogel, who is with us today, and 

11    President Jeffrey Lichtman, as well as a group of 

12    about 50 third-through-sixth-grade students 

13    talking about public service, the role of state 

14    government in the lives of New York families, and 

15    our efforts to confront and combat growing 

16    antisemitism across our state.  

17                 And this was followed by a 

18    question-and-answer session where I was grilled 

19    by some of the most thoughtful and intuitive 

20    questions that I've ever had, certainly maybe 

21    than any endorsement of you, I can you tell you 

22    that.  They were great.

23                 And since the timing of my visit 

24    coincided with Election Day, I met with their 

25    student council candidates, discussed campaigns, 


                                                               1529

 1    messaging and strategy.  And I am pleased to 

 2    report that in spite of my insights, some of 

 3    those candidates actually won their races and 

 4    have joined us in the gallery today, along with 

 5    the group from Mercaz Academy.  

 6                 And so I want to introduce their 

 7    student council president, Rami Kirschenbaum; 

 8    vice president, Jason Glasser; treasurer, 

 9    Yair Weissman; their secretary, Meira Blackman; 

10    as well as Saira Baradarian, Elianna Biniamin, 

11    Noa Blackman, Talia Blackman, Evan Dahan, 

12    Sarah Eshaghian, Raphael Hakim, Eliana Kersch, 

13    Aaron Nejatheim, Evelyn Shamalov, and 

14    Liora Sternbach.  

15                 And their chaperones for today, in 

16    addition to Rabbi Fogel:  Jenny DeMeo, 

17    Chavi Kersch, Shmuela Sternbach, and Ira Glasser, 

18    who are with us in the gallery.  

19                 Mr. President, I would ask that you 

20    welcome them to the chamber -- Madam President.  

21    I see we've had a change.  Madam President, I 

22    would ask that you welcome them to the chamber on 

23    behalf of the Senate and please extend to them 

24    all of the privileges and courtesies of the 

25    house.


                                                               1530

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   Thank 

 2    you.

 3                 To our guests, I welcome you on 

 4    behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you the 

 5    privileges and courtesies of this house.  

 6                 Please rise and be recognized.

 7                 (Standing ovation.)

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   Senator 

 9    Gianaris.

10                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Madam President, 

11    let's take up previously adopted Resolution 1702, 

12    by Senator Cooney.  Please read its title and 

13    recognize Senator Cooney.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   The 

15    Secretary will read.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   Resolution 1702, by 

17    Senator Cooney, commemorating the 

18    175th Anniversary of Albany Law School.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   Senator 

20    Cooney on the resolution.

21                 SENATOR COONEY:   Thank you, 

22    Madam President.  

23                 It is truly my honor and privilege 

24    today to recognize the 175th anniversary of 

25    Albany Law School, a nationally renowned 


                                                               1531

 1    institution that I am so very proud to call my 

 2    alma mater.  

 3                 Today we are joined in the chamber 

 4    by President and Dean Cinnamon Carlarne; 

 5    Pat Wildes, the director of the Government Law 

 6    Center; and Andrew Jensen, a second-year law 

 7    student.

 8                 Since 1851, Albany Law School has 

 9    trained the leaders of tomorrow in the shadow of 

10    our great State Capitol, giving law students the 

11    opportunity to learn and grow in the heart of our 

12    state's political center.  And when I was a 

13    first-year law student, I worked in the 

14    Governor's counsel's office -- interestingly 

15    enough, on transportation policy.  

16                 It's no surprise that Albany Law was 

17    recently named the best law school in the nation 

18    for public service by PreLaw magazine, an honor 

19    that is a testament to the strong tradition of 

20    excellence that Albany Law promotes.  

21                 Over half of Albany Law School's 

22    graduates go into public service.  Many of our 

23    great lawyers and leaders in state government 

24    reflect this recognition.  The law school has 

25    always led with a dedication toward legal 


                                                               1532

 1    scholarship, strong New York practice, and a 

 2    commitment to justice.

 3                 Many of our staff members are 

 4    graduates, including our talented counsel staff 

 5    who is here on the floor with me; Alejandra 

 6    Paulino, the Secretary of the Senate, and her 

 7    counsel, Jellisa Joseph.

 8                 As we reflect on our past, it's 

 9    important to also look to the future and the 

10    commitment of Albany Law School to preparing the 

11    next generation of leaders, advocates and 

12    change-makers.  So to every alum, current and 

13    future student, and to the faculty and staff, I 

14    say congratulations.

15                 Madam President, I vote aye.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   Thank 

17    you.

18                 Senator Fahy on the resolution.

19                 SENATOR FAHY:   Thank you, 

20    Madam President.  

21                 I want to join Senator Cooney.  

22    While he is a graduate, I am not.  I am a proud 

23    representative of the college and want to join in 

24    all of the accolades.  So many of my 

25    constituents, so many friends -- our former or 


                                                               1533

 1    recent mayor, former Mayor Kathy Sheehan, and so 

 2    many others have been wonderful advocates -- 

 3    sorry, wonderful graduates from the law school.  

 4                 And it is quite extraordinary to 

 5    think that they've reached 175 years as the 

 6    oldest independent law school in the nation, and 

 7    to think it's right here in Albany.

 8                 So I just want to share my 

 9    enthusiasm and support.  And thank you, Senator, 

10    for bringing this and bringing our dean and 

11    student here.  It is really important, at a time 

12    when we are turning to our courts more and more, 

13    especially in the last plus year where so much is 

14    being litigated right now, it is something we 

15    value more than ever.  

16                 And again, a true welcome to those 

17    who will carry Albany Law into the next 

18    hundred years.  Thank you.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   Thank 

20    you.  

21                 To our guests, I welcome you on 

22    behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you the 

23    privileges and courtesies of this house.  

24    Congratulations on 175 years.  

25                 Please rise and be recognized.


                                                               1534

 1                 (Standing ovation.)

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   The 

 3    resolution was adopted on March 10th.

 4                 Senator Gianaris.

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   The sponsors of 

 6    today's resolutions would like to open them for 

 7    cosponsorship.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   The 

 9    resolutions are open for cosponsorship.  Should 

10    you choose not to be a cosponsor, please notify 

11    the desk.

12                 Senator Gianaris.

13                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Please take up 

14    the reading of the calendar.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT PERSAUD:   The 

16    Secretary will read.

17                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18    159, Senate Print 119, by Senator Cleare, an act 

19    to amend the Emergency Tenant Protection Act.

20                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

22    will be laid aside.

23                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

24    218, Senate Print 3820B, by Senator Rivera, an 

25    act to amend the Insurance Law.


                                                               1535

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 2    last section.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

 4    act shall take effect immediately.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

 6    roll.

 7                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

 9    the results.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

12    is passed.

13                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

14    402, Senate Print 2289, by Senator Bailey, an act 

15    to amend the Private Housing Finance Law.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

17    last section.

18                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

19    act shall take effect immediately.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

21    roll.

22                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

24    the results.

25                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.


                                                               1536

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

 2    is passed.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4    407, Senate Print 7048, by Senator Webb, an act 

 5    to amend the Public Health Law.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 7    last section.

 8                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 9    act shall take effect immediately.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

11    roll.

12                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

14    Webb to explain her vote.

15                 SENATOR WEBB:   Thank you, 

16    Mr. President.

17                 I'm very proud of the work we've 

18    been doing in the Women's Issues Committee, and 

19    this bill is a continuation of those efforts, 

20    especially when we talk about the very real 

21    challenges around maternal health and the crisis 

22    that maternal health is in in our state.

23                 One of our many goals is to reduce 

24    the number of healthcare deserts impacting 

25    families across our state, especially in rural 


                                                               1537

 1    districts like mine.  Access to quality maternity 

 2    care is essential if we want to reduce bad 

 3    outcomes related to pregnancy and eliminate 

 4    health disparities that disproportionately impact 

 5    communities of color and rural communities.  

 6                 Mr. President, since 2008, 

 7    28 hospitals across the state have closed or 

 8    reduced OB-GYN care.  And as of 2022, more than 

 9    4 percent of women in New York did not have a 

10    birthing hospital within 30 minutes of their 

11    homes.  

12                 And in rural districts such as mine, 

13    the data reveals an even more dangerous picture, 

14    with 47 percent of women living more than 

15    30 minutes away from a birthing center.  

16                 These are very troubling statistics 

17    for women in labor or dealing with dangerous 

18    complications like preeclampsia or living in a 

19    maternal health desert.  

20                 What this legislation provides is 

21    that it requires an increase in transparency 

22    around the availability of maternal healthcare.  

23                 Under the current law, there is no 

24    requirement that major changes to maternity care 

25    undergo a full review before the Public Health 


                                                               1538

 1    and Health Planning Council, meaning that 

 2    significant changes in availability of labor and 

 3    delivery services in the community can move 

 4    forward without community input or oversight and 

 5    agreement.  

 6                 The legislation requires the 

 7    Public Health and Health Planning Council, also 

 8    known as PHHPC, to regulate any changes in 

 9    perinatal services offered by general hospitals 

10    in our state.

11                 Mr. President, if we are truly to 

12    address the maternal health crisis in New York, 

13    we must safeguard access to healthcare and 

14    maternity services.  I proudly vote aye and 

15    encourage my colleagues to do the same.

16                 Thank you.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY: 

18    Senator Webb to be recorded in the affirmative.

19                 Announce the results.  

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

22    is passed.

23                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

24    472, Senate Print 4956, by Senator Harckham, an 

25    act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law.


                                                               1539

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 2    last section.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 4    act shall take effect immediately.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

 6    roll.

 7                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

 9    the results.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

12    is passed.

13                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

14    477, Senate Print 947, by Senator Jackson, an act 

15    to amend the Real Property Law.

16                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

18    will be laid aside.

19                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20    478, Senate Print 1142, by Senator Gounardes, an 

21    act to amend the Civil Practice Law and Rules.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

23    last section.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

25    act shall take effect on the 60th day after it 


                                                               1540

 1    shall have become a law.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

 3    roll.

 4                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

 6    the results.

 7                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 8    Calendar 478, voting in the negative are 

 9    Senators Borrello, Canzoneri-Fitzpatrick, Chan, 

10    Helming, Lanza, Martins, O'Mara, Ortt, Rhoads, 

11    Walczyk and Weik.

12                 Ayes, 50.  Nays, 11.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

14    is passed.

15                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16    481, Senate Print 5089, by Senator SepĂșlveda, an 

17    act to amend the Real Property Law.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

19    last section.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

21    act shall take effect immediately.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

23    roll.

24                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 


                                                               1541

 1    the results.

 2                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

 4    is passed.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6    489, Senate Print 903, by Senator Sanders, an act 

 7    to amend the Elder Law.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 9    last section.  

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11    act shall take effect immediately.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

13    roll.

14                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

16    the results.

17                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

19    is passed.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21    505, Senate Print 8941, by Senator Martinez, an 

22    act authorizing the Farmingdale First Baptist 

23    Church, Inc., to receive retroactive real 

24    property tax exempt status.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 


                                                               1542

 1    last section.

 2                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 3    act shall take effect immediately.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

 5    roll.

 6                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

 8    the results.  

 9                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

10    Calendar 505, voting in the negative are 

11    Senators O'Mara and Skoufis.

12                 Ayes, 59.  Nays, 2.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

14    is passed.

15                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16    510, Senate Print 7858, by Senator Salazar, an 

17    act to amend the Public Authorities Law.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

19    last section.  

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

21    act shall take effect immediately.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

23    roll.

24                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 


                                                               1543

 1    the results.

 2                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

 4    is passed.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6    533, Senate Print 1610, by Senator Harckham, an 

 7    act to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 9    last section.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11    act shall take effect on the 180th day after it 

12    shall have become a law.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

14    roll.

15                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

17    the results.  

18                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

19    Calendar 533, voting in the negative:  

20    Senator Walczyk.

21                 Ayes, 60.  Nays, 1.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

23    is passed.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25    534, Senate Print 2411, by Senator Parker, an act 


                                                               1544

 1    to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

 2                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

 4    will be laid aside.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6    536, Senate Print 6831A, by Senator Hinchey, an 

 7    act to amend the Navigation Law.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Read the 

 9    last section.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11    act shall take effect on the 120th day after it 

12    shall have become a law.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

14    roll.

15                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

17    the results.

18                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

19    Calendar 536, voting in the negative are 

20    Senators Griffo, Martins, Oberacker, O'Mara, 

21    Ortt, Rhoads, Stec, Walczyk and Weik.

22                 Ayes, 52.  Nays, 9.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

24    is passed.  

25                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 


                                                               1545

 1    reading of today's calendar.

 2                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Thank you, 

 3    Mr. President.

 4                 Let's move on to the controversial 

 5    calendar, beginning with Calendar 534.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 7    Secretary will ring the bell.

 8                 The Secretary will read.

 9                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

10    534, Senate Print 2411, by Senator Parker, an act 

11    to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

13    Lanza, why do you rise? 

14                 SENATOR LANZA:   Thank you, 

15    Senator Gianaris.  

16                 And, Mr. President, I believe 

17    there's an amendment at the desk.  I waive the 

18    reading of that amendment and ask that you 

19    recognize Senator Ashby.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

21    you, Senator Lanza.  

22                 Upon review of the amendment, in 

23    accordance with Rule 6, Section 4B, I rule it 

24    nongermane and out of order.

25                 SENATOR LANZA:   Accordingly, 


                                                               1546

 1    Mr. President, I appeal the ruling of the chair 

 2    and ask that Senator Ashby be heard on the 

 3    appeal.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 5    appeal has been made and recognized, and 

 6    Senator Ashby may be heard.

 7                 SENATOR ASHBY:   Thank you, 

 8    Mr. President, on the amendment.  

 9                 Some important context on the CLCPA 

10    that gets lost.  This isn't new.  This has been 

11    the law for almost seven years.  We've spent 

12    billions of taxpayer dollars trying this.  Here's 

13    what we have to show for it:  2,000 net megawatts 

14    of reliable power has been decommissioned from 

15    our grid.  Utility bills have skyrocketed over 

16    54 percent.  And the Governor's own 

17    administration recently admitted the pain our 

18    constituents are feeling now is just the 

19    beginning.

20                 NYSERDA says when the law is fully 

21    enforced and fully implemented, upstate energy 

22    bills will spike an additional $340 a month.  

23    These mandates were passed before we built out an 

24    electric grid that could even possibly handle 

25    them.  


                                                               1547

 1                 These mandates made a massive bet on 

 2    solar and wind in a state that for much of the 

 3    year is neither sunny nor windy.  These mandates 

 4    are impossible to enforce, and the Governor has 

 5    argued as much in court.  The state's new 

 6    official energy plan involves using natural gas 

 7    as a bridge to our clean energy future.  

 8                 Sounds good to me, probably sounds 

 9    good to you too.  Too bad that's outlawed by the 

10    CLCPA.  

11                 Every single reasonable person would 

12    agree that working toward a cleaner, more 

13    sustainable energy future is important.  However, 

14    no reasonable person would argue that this is 

15    going well or that the CLCPA represents a 

16    balanced, workable approach.

17                 My constituents need help.  I have 

18    seniors on fixed incomes who are choosing between 

19    paying out-of-pocket costs for prescription drugs 

20    or keeping the heat on.  They need our help 

21    today.  We can do something about it right now by 

22    supporting this amendment.

23                 Thank you, Mr. President.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

25    you, Senator.


                                                               1548

 1                 I want to remind the house that the 

 2    vote is on the procedures of the house and the 

 3    ruling of the chair.  

 4                 Those in favor of overruling the 

 5    chair, signify by saying aye.

 6                 (Response of "Aye.")

 7                 SENATOR LANZA:   Show of hands, 

 8    please.  

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   A show of 

10    hands has been requested and so ordered.

11                 Announce the results.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 22.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

14    ruling of the chair stands, and the bill-in-chief 

15    is before the house.

16                 Read the last section.

17                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

18    act shall take effect immediately.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

20    roll.

21                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

22                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

23    we'll be restoring this to the noncontroversial 

24    calendar, please.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 


                                                               1549

 1    you, Senator Gianaris.  

 2                 Read the last section.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 4    act shall take effect immediately.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

 6    roll.

 7                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Announce 

 9    the results.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

12    is passed.

13                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

14    let's move to Calendar 159, please.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

16    Secretary will read.

17                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18    159, Senate Print 119, by Senator Cleare, an act 

19    to amend the Emergency Tenant Protection Act.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

21    Martins, why do you rise?

22                 SENATOR MARTINS:   On the bill.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

24    Martins on the bill.

25                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 


                                                               1550

 1    Mr. President.

 2                 The issue outlined by the sponsor in 

 3    the memo is to try to address the issue of 

 4    warehousing of units.  That is, Mr. President, 

 5    there are vacant units in New York City that 

 6    remain vacant, that are identified as part of the 

 7    DHCR's annual survey, and somehow this bill is 

 8    meant to address the underlying issue of these 

 9    vacant units.

10                 The DHCR recently, back in December 

11    of 2025, updated their dashboard to include a lot 

12    of additional information which does make it 

13    easier to identify vacant units.  But again, the 

14    real problem is that they aren't collecting the 

15    information about the why of the vacancy.  

16                 That is, Mr. President, even though 

17    they ask whether the unit is vacant, at no point 

18    do they ask the landlord why it's vacant.

19                 And so if we're going to address the 

20    issue of warehousing of units and we're going to 

21    address the issue of vacant units that I think 

22    people understand exist, I think it's important 

23    that we understand the why.  

24                 And frankly, I'm not sure that this 

25    bill goes to that question by merely asking for 


                                                               1551

 1    LLCs to provide information with regard to 

 2    ownership structure.

 3                 So through you, Mr. President, if 

 4    the sponsor would yield to a few questions.  

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Would the 

 6    sponsor yield? 

 7                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Yes.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 9    sponsor yields.  

10                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 

11    Senator.

12                 So would you agree that DHCR should, 

13    in addition to tracking vacant units, also 

14    request that the business owner provide the 

15    reason for why the units are vacant?

16                 SENATOR CLEARE:   I'm not speaking 

17    to that.

18                 The reason we're here today is 

19    because I feel as if DHCR should track the owners 

20    for the purpose of identifying owners when we are 

21    seeking repairs in these units.  

22                 That's the spirit of this bill, so 

23    that we can know trends and we can know patterns 

24    and we are able to identify those persons and 

25    they don't hide behind different LLCs, and we 


                                                               1552

 1    have these consistent and persistent problems 

 2    that exist in some of our properties.

 3                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 

 4    Senator.  

 5                 Thank you, Mr. President.  Through 

 6    you, if the sponsor would continue to yield.  

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 8    sponsor yield?

 9                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Yes.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

11    sponsor yields.  

12                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So to be clear, 

13    notwithstanding the memo that accompanied the 

14    bill, the purpose of the bill, to you as the 

15    sponsor, is not for identifying vacant units, but 

16    rather to identify persons responsible for those 

17    units so that if units need to be repaired, 

18    there's a person to contact?  

19                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Yes.  And 

20    especially in cases where -- and I have seen in 

21    my district and in other places there's a 

22    persistent pattern that exists with certain 

23    owners.  But it is difficult to -- it's difficult 

24    to know who they are when you're just dealing 

25    with an LLC.  


                                                               1553

 1                 This information should be available 

 2    to HCR so that they can see if there's someone 

 3    who is constantly having this problem and not 

 4    addressing it.  Through you, Mr. President.  

 5                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you.  

 6                 Mr. President, if the sponsor would 

 7    continue to yield.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 9    sponsor yield?

10                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

11    Mr. President, yes, I do.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

13    sponsor yields.

14                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So for purposes 

15    of identifying a responsible person, would it be 

16    easier, do you think, for DHCR to require the 

17    owner to identify an individual to whom that 

18    outreach can take place, short of providing 

19    information with regard to beneficial ownership 

20    with regard to the LLC?  

21                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Sometimes.  But, 

22    you know, oftentimes decisions that have to be 

23    made, especially in emergency cases, cannot be 

24    made by these designated persons.

25                 Sometimes we really have to reach 


                                                               1554

 1    those persons who are responsible for the 

 2    property.  And especially, you know, we've had a 

 3    brutal winter, we've had buildings where there is 

 4    a persistent lack of heat, lack of hot water.  

 5    And that's not something that we can play with.  

 6                 We need to be able to identify these 

 7    people, and especially if they continuously do 

 8    this and exhibit this kind of behavior.

 9                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

10    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

11    yield.  

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

13    sponsor yield? 

14                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Yes.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

16    sponsor yields.

17                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So given that one 

18    of the worst landlords in New York City by far 

19    happens to be the City of New York itself, 

20    through the NYCHA program and the catastrophe 

21    that that has been with regard to access to heat 

22    and hot water, living conditions, the responsible 

23    person for that, I'm assuming, would also be the 

24    mayor of the City of New York, right?  

25                 Would that the beneficial owner, the 


                                                               1555

 1    person to contact in the event of all of those 

 2    terrible things that are going on in NYCHA 

 3    facilities and holding somebody responsible?  

 4                 SENATOR CLEARE:   This bill deals 

 5    with rent-stabilized housing, not public housing.

 6                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

 7    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

 8    yield.  

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

10    sponsor yield?

11                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

12    Mr. President, yes, I do.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

14    sponsor yields.

15                 SENATOR MARTINS:   But we're dealing 

16    with a condition with regard to living 

17    conditions.  Would you consider amending the bill 

18    to include the plight of people living in 

19    public housing, in NYCHA facilities, and the very 

20    real concerns that we should all have with regard 

21    to the conditions they're living under?  

22                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Again, I just have 

23    to say this bill specifically relates to 

24    rent-stabilized housing and our ability to have 

25    access to know who is ultimately responsible for 


                                                               1556

 1    addressing and remediating heat and hot water, 

 2    power outages, habitability issues, displacement 

 3    issues, buyouts and forced vacancies, and also 

 4    tenant and resident harassment.  

 5                 These are things that we want to 

 6    identify, and it has been difficult to do that in 

 7    many of these properties that are owned by LLCs.

 8                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

 9    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

10    yield.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

12    sponsor yield? 

13                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

14    Mr. President, I do.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

16    sponsor yields.

17                 SENATOR MARTINS:   I notice that the 

18    bill does not include any other forms of 

19    ownership like corporations.  

20                 Certainly if a corporation was to 

21    own housing units and multiple housing units, I 

22    would think that the same concerns that you're 

23    voicing with regard to LLCs should occur with 

24    regard to multiple types or different types of 

25    ownership structures.  


                                                               1557

 1                 Can you tell us why this bill only 

 2    deals with LLCs and not any other structure?  

 3                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Well, that might 

 4    be an idea for another bill.  But right now it 

 5    deals with the LLCs, and those are the ones that 

 6    seem to pop up under different names from time to 

 7    time, but it's the same people behind these LLCs.

 8                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

 9    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

10    yield.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Does the 

12    sponsor yield? 

13                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

14    Mr. President, I yield.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

16    sponsor yields.  

17                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 

18    Senator.  

19                 With regard then to the group that 

20    would have to be identified, I think there is the 

21    term "beneficial owner" in the bill, and then the 

22    bill goes on to speak to what is meant by 

23    beneficial owners.  And I want to be clear as to 

24    the scope of the bill.  

25                 You know, we've talked now, just 


                                                               1558

 1    anecdotally, about ownership, people who own and 

 2    are members of the LLC.  Is it your understanding 

 3    that this bill includes those owners and only 

 4    those people who own the LLC?  

 5                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Okay, I'm told 

 6    that the definition is in the bill of the owner.  

 7    It is in the bill, who we're talking about.

 8                 SENATOR MARTINS:   I understand.  

 9    And that's why -- through you, Mr. President, if 

10    the sponsor would continue to yield.  

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

12    sponsor yield?

13                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Yes.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

15    sponsor yields.  

16                 SENATOR MARTINS:   I understand it's 

17    within the bill.  I read it, and so I understand 

18    what it says.  

19                 And so given the broad scope of the 

20    language -- and Mr. President, through you, I 

21    will read it.  Since, you know, that's what I was 

22    directed to do, let's all understand what we're 

23    talking about.  

24                 It says that a beneficial owner 

25    (reading) shall mean an individual who directly 


                                                               1559

 1    or indirectly, through any contract, arrangement, 

 2    understanding, relationship, or otherwise -- or 

 3    otherwise -- owns any equity interest of an 

 4    entity and/or has a level of control over the 

 5    funds or assets of the entity that, as a 

 6    practical matter, enables the individual directly 

 7    or indirectly to control, manage or direct the 

 8    entity and the use of its funds and assets or any 

 9    part thereof.

10                 So I -- having read that definition, 

11    my concern is just how broad it is and whether or 

12    not that definition, being as broad as it is, can 

13    fairly be replied to, because if it were just the 

14    membership, ownership of the LLC, we can check 

15    that box.  But this doesn't say that.  

16                 So I'd love to have your sense of 

17    what it does or does not include so that we can 

18    give clarity to those people who are going to be 

19    expected to actually comply with this bill.

20                 SENATOR CLEARE:   The language 

21    matches the LLC Transparency Act definition, the 

22    bill that we passed in 2023.  It's the same 

23    language.

24                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Mr. President -- 

25                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 


                                                               1560

 1    Mr. President.  Sorry.

 2                 SENATOR MARTINS:   -- if the sponsor 

 3    would continue to yield?

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 5    sponsor yield?

 6                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

 7    Mr. President, I do.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 9    sponsor yields.

10                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So the LLC 

11    Transparency Act and the requirements, from what 

12    I recall, was actually vetoed because of concerns 

13    about just this kind of language and, you know, 

14    where it would place New York State LLCs as 

15    opposed to other LLCs throughout the country, and 

16    perhaps put the state at a disadvantage.  

17                 Are you aware of that?  

18                 SENATOR CLEARE:   So it's my 

19    understanding that this part -- this was passed 

20    in 2023.  And the part that you're talking about, 

21    that part was vetoed on a federal level.  Okay.  

22    But what we passed in 2023 is this definition.

23                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

24    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

25    yield.  


                                                               1561

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 2    sponsor yield?

 3                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

 4    Mr. President.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 6    sponsor yields.

 7                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So if someone 

 8    fails to provide that information, what is the 

 9    penalty assessed to that building owner for 

10    failure to provide the information required by 

11    the bill?

12                 (Pause.)

13                 SENATOR CLEARE:   So that would be 

14    considered an incomplete filing with the 

15    registration.  Sometimes people do, and that -- 

16    you know, HCR has their methods for dealing with 

17    that.  But the bill does not state any penalty.

18                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Through you, 

19    Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

20    yield.  

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Does the 

22    sponsor yield?

23                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Through you, 

24    Mr. President, I do.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 


                                                               1562

 1    sponsor yields.

 2                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So through you, 

 3    Mr. President.  Are you familiar with the 

 4    requirement that if there is an incomplete 

 5    filing, that the penalty that is assessed by DHCR 

 6    is actually $500 per day per unit until the 

 7    filing is completed or corrected?  Are you 

 8    familiar with that?

 9                 SENATOR CLEARE:   No.  But -- 

10    through you, Mr. President, I don't know the 

11    exact dollar amount.  I don't know the penalty, 

12    no.

13                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Mr. President, on 

14    the bill.

15                 Senator, thank you.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

17    Martins on the bill.

18                 SENATOR MARTINS:   So here we are, 

19    we're being asked to vote on a bill where the 

20    language encompassing who may or may not be 

21    required to report is ambiguous, is broad.  

22    Frankly, it can include anyone from the owner to 

23    anyone who has the authority to sign checks or 

24    anyone who's managing the property.  

25                 It is overly broad in the context of 


                                                               1563

 1    a group that is managing multifamily housing in 

 2    New York City.  And yet the penalty for getting 

 3    it wrong that will be absorbed by the ownership 

 4    could be up to $500 per day per unit for every 

 5    day that they got it wrong.  And they're forced 

 6    to guess as to what it is or who they can or have 

 7    to actually submit.

 8                 Now, I certainly share the sponsor's 

 9    concerns with regard to conditions and conditions 

10    in housing, because no one should be in a 

11    position of not having heat in the winter, clean 

12    water, access to utilities, and to live in a safe 

13    environment.  I agree with the sponsor a thousand 

14    percent.  And I thank her, because I understand 

15    that the bill comes from a good place.  I do.

16                 My concern is that oftentimes what 

17    we do is we pass bills in this chamber hoping to 

18    reach a certain result, but we come up short.  

19    And so there are other ways by which we can make 

20    sure that people comply with those requirements.  

21                 And maybe we need to be more 

22    aggressive in how we do that and not exclude 

23    public housing and not exclude corporations.  And 

24    maybe we need to be more aggressive to make sure 

25    that people are living in safe housing 


                                                               1564

 1    conditions.  

 2                 But the idea, Mr. President, that we 

 3    are going to somehow solve this issue by creating 

 4    a requirement that isn't clear, but that comes 

 5    with significant consequences and penalties, is 

 6    something that we should avoid, frankly, as a 

 7    body.  

 8                 And so to the extent that there is 

 9    an opportunity for us to work together to come up 

10    with an alternative that requires these things 

11    and holds people accountable, count me in.  

12                 But we're not going to exclude NYCHA 

13    in the City of New York, and we shouldn't exclude 

14    any housing units in New York City or anywhere 

15    else in the state.  

16                 And certainly if we're going to 

17    impose penalties and we're going to try and get 

18    there, let's make sure we get there in a way that 

19    is fair so that people understand what they have 

20    to do in order to comply, and it's not subject to 

21    interpretation.  

22                 And so I share the sponsor's 

23    mission.  I look forward to hopefully working 

24    with her on other initiatives as we move forward.  

25    But unfortunately, Mr. President, I will not be 


                                                               1565

 1    able to support this bill at this time for the 

 2    reasons that I just explained.

 3                 And again, I want to thank the 

 4    sponsor.

 5                 Thank you, Mr. President.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

 7    you, Senator Martins, on the bill.

 8                 Are there any other Senators wishing 

 9    to be heard?

10                 Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

11    now closed.

12                 The Secretary will ring the bell.

13                 Senator Gianaris.

14                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

15    let's return this to the noncontroversial 

16    calendar as well.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   We'll 

18    return it to the noncontroversial calendar.

19                 Read the last section.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

21    act shall take effect immediately.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

23    roll.

24                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 


                                                               1566

 1    Cleare to explain her vote.

 2                 SENATOR CLEARE:   Thank you, 

 3    Mr. President.

 4                 This bill is about three things.  

 5    This bill serves multiple purposes.  One, it 

 6    builds on the Senate Majority's efforts to 

 7    provide disclosure and transparency with respect 

 8    to LLCs.  

 9                 Secondly, by providing more 

10    disclosure of ownership interests in housing 

11    LLCs, we can get a greater picture of trends that 

12    are occurring, including buyouts, forced 

13    vacancies, harassment and so on.

14                 Third, in cases where it may be 

15    appropriate to raise issues to owners, we can 

16    deal with real names and human beings, not LLCs 

17    with mailboxes.  

18                 In my role as State Senator, I'm 

19    often tasked with getting to the bottom of 

20    things.  The mailing addresses of LLCs and even 

21    publicly available information about management 

22    companies is not always sufficient to resolve 

23    issues.  

24                 If you want to own housing, 

25    especially rent-regulated housing in this state, 


                                                               1567

 1    we should know exactly who you are and how to 

 2    reach you.  LLCs fail miserably often in this 

 3    regard, and that is why disclosure is needed.  

 4                 I proudly vote aye and ask my 

 5    colleagues to do the same.

 6                 Thank you.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

 8    Cleare to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                 Announce the results.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

11    Calendar 159, voting in the negative are 

12    Senators Borrello, Canzoneri-Fitzpatrick, Chan, 

13    Cooney, Gallivan, Griffo, Helming, Martins, 

14    Mattera, Murray, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, 

15    Palumbo, Rhoads, Rolison, Stec, Tedisco, Walczyk, 

16    Weber and Weik.

17                 Ayes, 40.  Nays, 21.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

19    is passed.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21    477, Senate Print 947, by Senator Jackson, an act 

22    to amend the Real Property Law.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

24    Walczyk, why do you rise?

25                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Mr. President, I 


                                                               1568

 1    hope the sponsor would yield for some questions.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 3    sponsor yield? 

 4                 SENATOR JACKSON:   So, how you 

 5    doing, brother?

 6                 (Laughter.)

 7                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Good.  How are 

 8    you, neighbor?

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

10    sponsor is definitely yielding.

11                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   So current law -- 

12    through you, Mr. President, current law states 

13    that electronic billing and/or payment for rent, 

14    a landlord shall not require a lessee or tenant 

15    to use electronic billing and/or a payment system 

16    as the only method for the payment of rent, and a 

17    landlord shall not assess any fee or other charge 

18    for the lessee or tenant that chooses not to use 

19    electronic billing and/or payment system.  So 

20    that's the current law.

21                 What changes to current law does 

22    this bill propose?

23                 SENATOR JACKSON:   I don't know.  I 

24    didn't -- I'm not concerned with that.  

25                 I'm concerned with when the landlord 


                                                               1569

 1    has sent out notice to everyone in the building 

 2    that they have an option of paying rent through 

 3    one of these organizations, an automated 

 4    clearinghouse.  So the tenants can say yes, I 

 5    would like to do that, what is it going to cost?  

 6    Or it's going to cost nothing or, you know, no, 

 7    I'm not interested.  

 8                 So basically that's what happened, 

 9    but overall, when someone agrees that they want 

10    to use a clearinghouse.  So for me, I looked at 

11    the situation, okay, now I would have to write a 

12    check, pay for the stamp, and then mail it.  

13    That's the process that was happening before.  

14    Okay?  

15                 And now there's an automatic 

16    clearinghouse where the landlord has suggested 

17    that this is -- would make it easier for 

18    everyone.  

19                 And so I, as a tenant for 48 years, 

20    with my wife and family, took advantage of that 

21    because it was okay by me.

22                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Through you, 

23    Mr. President, would the sponsor continue to 

24    yield.

25                 SENATOR JACKSON:   Yes.


                                                               1570

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 2    sponsor yield?

 3                 The sponsor yields.  

 4                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   So if this bill 

 5    that you're proposing prohibits the landlord from 

 6    assessing that fee through those processes for a 

 7    payment of rent, how will that fee get paid for?  

 8    How will that get assessed?

 9                 SENATOR JACKSON:   I don't think 

10    that the landlord is -- I think that what happens 

11    is that the fee that the automatic clearinghouse 

12    pays by the tenant who wants to have the easier 

13    way in order to process their rent, it meets 

14    their recommendations.  So they do it.  

15                 But other than that, there's no 

16    necessity for them to act if they don't want to 

17    act.  And so this is not where you're being 

18    forced to do it.  If you want to do it, you have 

19    a right to do it.

20                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Through you, 

21    Mr. President, would the sponsor continue to 

22    yield.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

24    sponsor yield?

25                 SENATOR JACKSON:   Yes.


                                                               1571

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 2    sponsor yields.

 3                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Yeah, I 

 4    understand that they wouldn't be forced to do it.  

 5    But those systems do have a cost to run.  I'm 

 6    sure that landlords subscribe to these systems 

 7    and they have some overhead that currently -- 

 8    similar to when you're using your credit card, a 

 9    certain percentage or a certain payment of your 

10    credit card goes to the actual vendor for the 

11    credit card machines and how they get processed, 

12    so that that ultimately gets charged to your 

13    bank.

14                 I'm curious about who will 

15    ultimately pay those fees when landlords 

16    subscribe to use one of these convenience things 

17    for their tenant, like you've taken advantage of.

18                 SENATOR JACKSON:   I am not in 

19    response to that.  As long as I've agreed to the 

20    system where I won't do anything but the 

21    automatic clearinghouse, basically, when it's 

22    time to pay my rent, the rent is being paid.  And 

23    that's coming out of my checking account, and 

24    that's it.  I'm not looking for a second job, 

25    monitoring what everybody else is paying.


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 1                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Through you, 

 2    Mr. President, would the sponsor continue to 

 3    yield.  

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

 5    sponsor yield?

 6                 SENATOR JACKSON:   Yes.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

 8    sponsor yields.

 9                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   So the Governor 

10    signed a law a few years ago explicitly allowing 

11    for these payments for the automated 

12    clearinghouses to be passed through to consumers.  

13    And we specifically enumerated -- but not if the 

14    tenant is paying by cash or check, because we 

15    didn't want to hem up rent increases into 

16    additional fees.

17                 But how does this square up with 

18    that?  Aren't you are concerned that that 

19    convenience will come away if there's no way for 

20    a landlord to pay for it?

21                 SENATOR JACKSON:   I'm not 

22    concerned.  I'm not concerned because it's a 

23    process that's worked.  It's working for me.  

24                 And if you are living there with 

25    your family, and if there's a fee, let's say of 


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 1    $2 or something like that, you have to decide 

 2    whether or not you want to accept that and make 

 3    it easier for you, rather than you or your spouse 

 4    writing a check, putting it in the envelope and 

 5    stamped and then mailing it and making sure that 

 6    it gets received by the owner of the building.  

 7                 So it makes life easier for everyone 

 8    overall if you can afford a dollar or two 

 9    dollars, whatever it costs.

10                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Through you, 

11    Mr. President, would the sponsor continue to 

12    yield.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Will the 

14    sponsor yield? 

15                 SENATOR JACKSON:   Yes.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The 

17    sponsor yields.

18                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   I see.  So you're 

19    really just looking to provide transparency for 

20    what that fee will be for the convenience of the 

21    automatic -- automated clearinghouse.  Am I 

22    understanding you correctly?

23                 SENATOR JACKSON:   If they told me 

24    the fee was $2, I have to decide whether or not I 

25    wanted -- if they said 10, 15 dollars, I have to 


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 1    decide.

 2                 But I say this to you.  If it was 

 3    10, 15 dollars, I'm not using it.  I mean, you 

 4    have to evaluate what's best for you and your 

 5    family.  

 6                 SENATOR WALCZYK:   Thank you.

 7                 Thank you, Mr. President.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Thank 

 9    you, Senator Walczyk.

10                 Are there any other Senators wishing 

11    to be heard?

12                 Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

13    now closed.

14                 The Secretary will ring the bell.

15                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Let us also 

16    restore this to the noncontroversial calendar, 

17    please.  

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Per 

19    Senator Gianaris, the bill will be restored to 

20    the noncontroversial calendar.  

21                 Read the last section.  

22                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

23    act shall take effect immediately.  

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Call the 

25    roll.


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 1                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

 3    Martins to explain his vote.

 4                 SENATOR MARTINS:   Thank you, 

 5    Mr. President.

 6                 I want to thank the sponsor for this 

 7    legislation.

 8                 I think, frankly, transparency in 

 9    these situations are paramount.  And certainly as 

10    long as the only thing the bill requires is that 

11    the landlord provide notice to the tenants and 

12    give them the option of doing that, then it makes 

13    sense.  

14                 And so it's up to the tenant to 

15    decide whether or not they're willing to pay that 

16    fee, and certainly they can arrange their own 

17    finances accordingly.

18                 So to the extent that the bill just 

19    requires that the landlord provide that, I vote 

20    aye, and thank the sponsor.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   Senator 

22    Martins to be recorded in the affirmative.

23                 Announce the results.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

25    Calendar 477, voting in the negative are 


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 1    Senators Borrello, Palumbo, Rhoads, Skoufis, 

 2    Walczyk and Weik.

 3                 Ayes, 55.  Nays, 6.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   The bill 

 5    is passed.

 6                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

 7    reading of today's calendar.

 8                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Is there any 

 9    further business at the desk?

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   There is 

11    no further business at the desk.

12                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   I move to 

13    adjourn until tomorrow, Thursday, March 19th, at 

14    11:00 a.m.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT COONEY:   On 

16    motion, the Senate stands adjourned until 

17    Thursday, March 19th, at 11:00 a.m.

18                 (Whereupon, at 5:10 p.m., the Senate 

19    adjourned.)

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